IMO... I'd rather slap on wider tires than have VSA on my FIT.

rant: what's next to be standard? cars that park themselves? cars that do the braking for you??? that's right... let's just get more and more folks that can't drive behind the steering wheel... saftey my @$$!!!

sorry for the rant

 

The usual September/October timeline. Or just call your dealer.

 

I want mine with manual windows and 14 inches wheels.

 

I wonder how MSRP will be affected.

 

This is a feature of the TCS not the VSA. Bad thing about Honda/Acura they usually integrate the two features together. While I can justify VSA to the general public cars/trucks... I hate TCS. My CL type S had it and like you said...was a big pain in the ars trying to pull out into traffic fast.




More info...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQq-4...e=more_related (esc = vsa)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DE9S...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tliP2yAKKcU

 

I agree with that. Less weight and less to tear up in 10-15 years when the car starts getting worn down.

 

No, it's dumbing down stuff so that people can't kill others. It's those that can breed like crazy and are insanely reckless that survive. It's the innocent bystanders in the car next to them (or maybe in the car) such as children, that lose out.

We need a tax on stupid people!

look back at when the '09s and '10s came out and add a year. honda usually releases in the October/November timeframe Occasionally they release early (like our Ridgeline in april?? - can't remember)
I'm pretty sure the fit was a halloween timeframe.

~SB

 

Would love a manual windows option! but you'd probably have to pay extra for it I prefer manual windows, but like automatic door locks

 

VSA is retarded, does not save us from stupid people, and causes people to rely on it like a crutch and drive dumber and more recklessly then ever before.

When we get snow down in the valley people think their AWD VSA equipped car will keep them on the road.. and it becomes a demolition derby out there. Same goes for even the first rain after summer. Your average person shouldn't even have a drivers license and can barely handle a Smartcar, let alone that Suburban he/she drives to work everyday.

I suspect a scientific look at the numbers would show there is very little difference in accident per car between VSA and non VSA cars.

The bigger difference is vehicle construction and restraint systems.

 

Just the opposite.

The Effectiveness of Electronic Stability Control in Reducing Real-World Crashes: A Literature Review - Traffic Injury Prevention

 

And liars make numbers...notice that the only real advantage is in fatal crashes. It also stands to reason that vehicles without stability control were likely older cars that were more likely to have fatalities.

Just like medical studies by biased sources, safety ninnies doing a study to increase car costs by imposing their will on everybody and/or raising insurance rates for those that do not comply are a little suspect in my book.

 

Just to clarify, Anyone who can't control every possible scenario dealing with sudden changes in steering should be off the road?

VSA really comes in handy when avoiding things like Deer or other animals, as well as drivers who suddenly cut over during quick exits from the left lane of a 4 lane highway. It also benefits those who aren't as coordinated or don't have instantaneous reaction.

It may be a hindrance in some scenarios such as launching yourself out into traffic but chances are, if VSA kicks in when trying to get into traffic, you probably should have waited for a larger break between cars.

uhhh those would be the ones I'd prefer to avoid. Not sure about anyone else here though.

~SB

 

Well, the real advantage was in single vehicle accidents of all kinds. As to your procedural objection, most of the studies measure identical vehicle lines with and without VSA. ie, fit sport vs fit sport with navi/vsa. There probably is a bit of self-selection in that people who care about safety are more likely to buy safer vehicles and also drive more cautiously.

 

I wish Honda would make LSD standard on the fit instead of VSA.

 

For those that think that ESC is not needed on this car, see the EURONCAP video testing the Fit with and without ESC:

YouTube - Euro NCAP | Honda Jazz | 2009 | ESC test

The difference is quite dramatic. Without ESC, the Fit loses directional control and nearly rolls over.

 

That might not be a good idea, depending... I suspect that the 2011s will have a higher MSRP to go with those new features. As I recall, the 2010s were higher than the 2009s with no significant changes.

 

im not sure what Honda is thinking anymore but there really is only 2 crowds Honda sells to. Its performance/style enthusists and its MPG/dependable/good quailty folks. seems as tho that Honda really wants to step away from their racing heritage. seems as tho the image Honda is trying to go for is the family friendly/eco friendly image. with the ridgeline/pilot/element appealing to the "outdoors" kinda ppl. the accord/crosstour/MDX/RDX/odessy to the luxury/family type. and the the Fit/Civic/CR-Z to the eco heads. whats left for us tuner heads? with less and less M/T's coming out of the factory. we havnt seen a Type-R model since 01. actually we've really only seen 1 Type-R model. wheres Honda going?

 

What sucks is that in the base DX cdm fit, we have power windows and mirrors but no power door lock. Probably to force people to get the LX trim, but that's stupid...

I liked my mom focus zx3, cd player, A/C, power door lock, power door latch, but no fancy things like power windows/mirrors or safety features (I think there was no abs but not sure).

In Canada de 2010 MSRP was 500$ lower on the fit DX than on the 2009 (while the civic price dropped of 1000$). But even to buy a 2010, it may be worth to wait for the 2011 so you get a reduction

For me Honda wasn't always performance oriented. And the family part of the car goes with the performance part. People buy honda for their performances, because over the good handling and power, they are reliable, cheap on gas and well constructed. People who buy them as a family car (over a corolla by example) buy them for their good chassis, sporty feeling and vtec engine.
They have less sport cars than before (no more powerfull crx, no more s2000), but still the fit is probably the best to drive (maybe the fiesta is good too), the civic si is quick.

And my 1987 civic wagon 4wd doesn't have much of a sport car. It's really roomy (like a fit), slow, reliable, and it handles like shit on dry (too high, to much adherance).
Honda has sport cars in the 90's, but historically, except for the s600 and s800, they just has small nimble cars, but not really sporty. And they can't make small nimble cars like before because of the safety and power windows.

 

I'm quite surprised that Bang & Olufsen sound system doesn't come standard on the base model.

 

my thoughts exactly. recently ive become more and more of a nissan fan.