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Old Dec 21, 2023 | 06:09 PM
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Honda Recall Over Fuel Pumps

Honda recalling 4.5 million vehicles worldwide over fuel pump issues. This includes 297K vehicles in Canada and 2.5 million in the US. Although the press releases I saw didn't mention the Fit, the Transport Canada site did list the 2018/19 Fit in Canada as part of the recall. I imagine the Fits in the US are similarly effected. Recall notices probably won't be sent out for a couple months and then it will be a struggle to get a dealership appointment since there's so many cars affected and replacing the fuel pumps is not a quick job.
 
Old Dec 21, 2023 | 06:55 PM
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Actually, the fuel pump in a Honda Fit is extremely easy to access. That's because unlike nearly every other car, the gas tank is under the front seats. Pop off the center console and there it is. You could even do it yourself, if you're appropriately attuned to safety, and if you're not then don't go trying. I think the problem is going to be parts availability.
 
Old Dec 21, 2023 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by woof
Honda recalling 4.5 million vehicles worldwide over fuel pump issues. This includes 297K vehicles in Canada and 2.5 million in the US. Although the press releases I saw didn't mention the Fit, the Transport Canada site did list the 2018/19 Fit in Canada as part of the recall. I imagine the Fits in the US are similarly effected. Recall notices probably won't be sent out for a couple months and then it will be a struggle to get a dealership appointment since there's so many cars affected and replacing the fuel pumps is not a quick job.
i had mine replaced through warranty, but honestly it's the injectors, electrical system, and unacceptable carbon buildup that are the problem in my case.
 
Old Dec 21, 2023 | 10:37 PM
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Actually, the fuel pump in a Honda Fit is extremely easy to access. That's because unlike nearly every other car, the gas tank is under the front seats. Pop off the center console and there it is. You could even do it yourself, if you're appropriately attuned to safety, and if you're not then don't go trying. I think the problem is going to be parts availability.
You're right about accessibility. And you're right about parts availability, but there's also the issue of shop time. All those other non-Fit Hondas that have to have it replaced may not have such easy access to the gas tank and the service departments are going to get booked up.
 
Old Dec 22, 2023 | 12:00 AM
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On the contrary... Fits are the more tedious ones to do since it is a tighter work space be in, the center console of course has to come out, and has a much greater risk of fuel spillage on the seats, carpet and other interior trim.

Add to that the amount of loose items many folks accumulate and store on top of or along their consoles makes console removal/installation more time consuming than necessary. On top of that, the amount of times folks come in for the initial wave of this recall... With full fuel tanks. -.-

In my honest opinion and after first hand experience (and not making a jab at Honda at all), I look forward to removing the ENTIRE rear seat assembly of the Ridgeline to access their fuel pumps before doing the Fits and HR-Vs fuel pumps for the reasons above. The rest of the model fleet in the affected range is CAKE to do since their seats flip out of the way or are easier to remove with a service place underneath them versus getting access to the Fit's fuel pump.

I would just encourage anyone reading to please have no more than half a tank of fuel when arriving for your recall as it gives techs more room to wiggle the pump assembly and pour out the fuel from said assembly back in your tank. This reduces the chances of fuel spillage in the car, makes the job easier and quicker. If possible, also clear out the center console and its surrounding area to help the tech remove the console more efficiently, get your recall done and have you all taken care of in an orderly fashion then that would be great.
 

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Old Dec 22, 2023 | 09:27 PM
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Looks Like 2020 Fit Not Recalled

The 2018 and 2019 Fit is recalled, and most 2020 Hondas other than the Fit are recalled:

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-co...d-honda-models

As our Fit is a 2020, I’m curious why our 3rd generation fuel pump is apparently OK.
 
Old Dec 23, 2023 | 09:06 AM
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What in the world!? They already replaced my fuel pump in late 2020, exactly with the same issue.
Were the replacement impellers still incorrectly manufactured, or are they just expanding the recall to ALL cars, rather than certain range of VINs like they did for the earlier recall?
 
Old Dec 23, 2023 | 09:19 AM
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I believe there was a limited recall previously which is now being significantly expanded. Obviously people who had their fuel pumps previously recalled will probably be excluded from this new recall, however if their fuel pump was previous replaced with another bad fuel pump then you might get recalled again.

And of course if you paid out of your own pocked to get the fuel pump repaired for this problem in the past (if it wasn't covered by warranty) then you'll be able to claim some kind of reimbursement from Honda now.
 
Old Dec 23, 2023 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by woof
I believe there was a limited recall previously which is now being significantly expanded. Obviously people who had their fuel pumps previously recalled will probably be excluded from this new recall, however if their fuel pump was previous replaced with another bad fuel pump then you might get recalled again.

And of course if you paid out of your own pocked to get the fuel pump repaired for this problem in the past (if it wasn't covered by warranty) then you'll be able to claim some kind of reimbursement from Honda now.
So wait the fuel pump that they recalled the first time around was defective too? Lol... Here lets replace your defective part with another defective part.
 
Old Dec 23, 2023 | 12:06 PM
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So wait the fuel pump that they recalled the first time around was defective too? Lol... Here lets replace your defective part with another defective part.
The fuel pump fails. The shop gets paid to pull it out, grab a new one from the shelf, put it in and check to make sure the car is running OK now. They do not know why they pump failed and they similarly do know if the new pump they are putting in might suffer the same problem. They have no options.

Eventually the bad pump might get sent back to Honda and if enough bad pumps accumulate there, eventually the engineers may start looking at them to see what the problem is. In the meantime out in the world any pumps failing will get replaced by an identical pump which in turn might eventually fail. If the failure rate is extremely low and not a significant safety issue the decision might be made to simply offer an extended warranty on the item or even to do nothing and just let an occasional owner have to eat the cost of replacement as a normal wear and tear issue once the regular car warranty is over. A recall can also be done to install a replacement redesigned part but the cost of recalls is very expensive and would be a last resort.

Consider in 2015 when problems arose with the fuel injectors. They would have been replaced with the exact same problematic fuel injector which the dealer had sitting on the shelf. It was not until some time in 2016 that newly designed fuel injectors finally reached the dealers and could begin to be installed. And the cars before that which had injectors replaced would be driving around with injectors which might fail again.


 

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Old Dec 23, 2023 | 01:33 PM
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I suppose Honda is not manufacturing fuel pumps themselves. So Honda engineers are involved, but primarily it is a supply chain quality issue. And those might be rather difficult to solve.
 
Old Dec 23, 2023 | 01:46 PM
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I suppose Honda is not manufacturing fuel pumps themselves. So Honda engineers are involved, but primarily it is a supply chain quality issue. And those might be rather difficult to solve.
Or a design issue with installation or how it works with other parts in the chain. That could be very expensive to fix.

Before I bought my Fit one of my shortlist cars was the Ford Focus, but everyone said to avoid the ones with the automatic transmission that was the cause of a class-action suit. Ford addressed the transmission failure by replacing it -- with the same part, because changing the transmission and associated pieces would have been prohibitively expensive.
 
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