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Old Sep 7, 2014 | 04:30 PM
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Manual gets worse milageż

Looking at the 2015 Fit LX tomorrow. Looks like the manual gets worse milage. Is this trueż Have an 07 manual fit now.
 
Old Sep 7, 2014 | 04:35 PM
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It is rated for less than the CVT.

Real world seems similar between the two, if you're a fuel efficient driver with an MT, get the MT.

If you enjoy simple, functional things...get the MT.
 
Old Sep 7, 2014 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mike410b
It is rated for less than the CVT.

Real world seems similar between the two, if you're a fuel efficient driver with an MT, get the MT.

If you enjoy simple, functional things...get the MT.
Yep. My LX M/T gets better mileage than EPA claims for the CVT. Depends on your driving. I am getting 37-38 in town, and depending on hills, up to 44 highway at 70+ mph
 

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Old Sep 7, 2014 | 08:16 PM
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Yep. My LX M/T gets better mileage than EPA claims for the CVT. Depends on your driving. I am getting 37-38 in town, and depending on hills, up to 44 highway at 70+ mph
Thanks for letting me know.
 
Old Sep 8, 2014 | 12:08 AM
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I have a manual EX, and today I got 45.1 miles on the highway with the AC on. i did a 60 mile round trip today with rolling hills terrain. Kept it at 65mph cruise, AC on.

Here is the proof. Its all in the way you drive the car.


 
Old Sep 8, 2014 | 12:55 AM
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If you care to believe the Manufacturer's Fantasy Gauge!

Real world mileage is only measureable by keeping track of several fill-ups with compensation for odometer error.

I'm sure you're doing pretty good, but I doubt it can be sustained at the levels shown on that gauge.
 
Old Sep 8, 2014 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by GeorgeL
If you care to believe the Manufacturer's Fantasy Gauge!

Real world mileage is only measureable by keeping track of several fill-ups with compensation for odometer error.

I'm sure you're doing pretty good, but I doubt it can be sustained at the levels shown on that gauge.


I agree, the computer trip calculator is not 100% accurate. The screenshot I posted is the average MPG for that one driving session. The average MPG by the tank...I drove 203 miles and it took 5.2 gallons of fuel to fill before the gas pump snapped off and couldn't add anymore. So that's 39.0MPG combined with highway and around town. I try to refuel at half a tank unless im doing a lot of driving then I'll use the range of the whole tank. Not bad in my eyes especially with it being a manual!!!
 
Old Sep 8, 2014 | 09:47 AM
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My trip computer is off by about 5-6%.

I don't know that we can really make a valid call between the two, especially if your only considering info posted on this forum. They had polls going for each trim and trans combo for people to self report MPG and they really never got a ton of participation.

Going by those forums it would appear that the CVT is putting up better numbers, but you have to take that with a grain of salt. They two transmissions function very differently and make the car drive very differently.

I would wager most CVT drivers are just letting the CVT do it's thing in D, using their shiney Econ buttons, and driving normally. In that instance, the transmission is keeping you in a gear ratio that is optimized for economy and the car is turning the A/C down at traffic lights. Say they are doing this and getting Xmpg.

There are certain drivers that might be rocking their paddle shifters and pushing the car a little harder. In this instance, the transmission is in whatever ratio the software is programmed to put it in and you have the option of pushing the car to higher RPMs in a fixed ratio. Depending on Econ button, your A/C might still turn down at lights. Say they get less then Xmpg and are getting Y mpg instead because they are varying the speed of the engine more.

Now go to the M/T, where the driver controls which gear and RPM the engine is turning. I can push each gear to 6,000rpm and get Y mpg, or I can shift at 3k, keep the engine at a steady 2,500-ish and get Xmpg.

In other words, it is dependent mainly on driving style, and comparing a transmission that really forces a particular driving style (one designed for economy) to one that allows more variability in how it operates (based on the driver) is not really a true comparison. Both Transmissions are hooked up to the same engine and (I believe) capable of putting up similar mpgs.

Now as far as that +41, I think we are touching on the OTHER significant factor of fuel economy: driving environment. I typically drive in a smallish city before getting on the highway. There are 4 stop lights between my house and the highway and always traffic, so I'm typically getting 38mpg (by the computer, so I call it 35mpg). This includes a lot of starts from stops, on a 55 limit road, so often rapid accelerations too. I drove down to the Florida Keys last weekend, where it is flat, not a lot of stops, constant cruising between 45-55 in 6th gear. The computer never dropped below 47mpg in those conditions, and it one point with a stiff tailwind, it hit 56mpg for 8 miles or so. If you're driving in a place with a lot of hills to coast down, or 55mph highways that you cruise on and don't stop, it seems absolutely possible that your computer would flash some high 40's.

P.S. all of this is based on a very high level understanding of CVT transmissions. I don't think I am completely wrong but... I am writing BS on the internet.
 

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Old Sep 8, 2014 | 10:07 AM
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all depends on how u drive if u beat on your fit alot gas goes down much faster
 
Old Sep 14, 2014 | 12:04 PM
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How to conserve gas with a manual fit?

I checked how I've been driving and it showed that I am driving with average of 21-22mpg. I do speed sometime but 21 mpg seems wayy too low for a fit. Is there any trick to con serve more gas? Something like shift after every 3000rpm? anything will help. thnaks
 
Old Sep 14, 2014 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueShell
I checked how I've been driving and it showed that I am driving with average of 21-22mpg. I do speed sometime but 21 mpg seems wayy too low for a fit. Is there any trick to con serve more gas? Something like shift after every 3000rpm? anything will help. thnaks
What sort of driving are you doing, and how long are your typical trips? If you do mostly short trips and city driving with quite a bit of starting and stopping, 21-22 mpg is not at all unreasonable. If you're generally traveling at high freeway speeds (80 mph, perhaps), it is also not unreasonable.

The biggest factors in milage are conditions and the driver, assuming no mechanical faults. (A dragging brake shoe, bad bearing, underinflated tire, or problem with the engine can cause a big drop in milage. These are unlikely in a new car, and many of them are rather obvious in other ways too.)

The best milage will be driving at a steady, moderately fast speed in the top gear—say something around 50 mph or so. Braking (well, the need to speed up again after braking) will drive your milage down. I don't recommend never stopping or slowing down, of course, but avoiding unnecessary braking by leaving enough space in front of you to avoid having to dance between the brake and the gas, coasting down towards stops, etc. is definitely helpful. Likewise, slowing down a little if you drive at high speeds will help noticeably; air resistance is proportional to something like the cube of speed, and is the largest contributor by far to fuel usage at high speeds.
 
Old Sep 14, 2014 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueShell
I checked how I've been driving and it showed that I am driving with average of 21-22mpg. I do speed sometime but 21 mpg seems wayy too low for a fit. Is there any trick to con serve more gas? Something like shift after every 3000rpm? anything will help. thnaks
I don't care what that other poster said, this is NOT reasonable. I drive my 2015 LV MT like hell and I get 30 city/ 36 HWY (75mph w/air). Take it to the dealer and ask them to check it out. You have a mechanical problem or you are making an error in your calculations. Don't go by the on-board meter. Measure the actual mileage.
 
Old Sep 14, 2014 | 05:25 PM
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Fuel Mileage Thread

Read this thread ... a lot of folks have posted their milage. I have a manual trans and am getting 40mph combined ... close to 43mph highway.
CVT results are better according to this thread.
Good Luck

https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/3rd-...l-mileage.html
 
Old Sep 15, 2014 | 09:31 AM
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This is about what I get on a weekly basis my commute to work is mostly highway, some city driving as well. I've hyper-mile the car to get somewhere in the 45mpg for short trips. realistically I'm about 38-40mpg with the 6MT. 286.1 miles on 7.354 gallons of gasoline.


 
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