a dead silent Fit? hahahahaha was it turned on?

 

A little sarcasm. CVT Pro: You don't have to shift. 6 spd Con: You have to shift. All other pros and cons are subjective like "having fun".

 

well, relative to the CVT it was , i've driven in the HR-V , the CVT had the same rattlely sound

 

In general I like to drive automatic cars if they are made willing to go. Even when it objectively reduces the performance compared to manual. My wife's 1st gen CR-V auto is a good example. You press the accelerator pedal only one third when traffic lights turn to green and you are off the junction before most manual drivers have got their cars moving at all. Really effortless driving.

When I had a drive with Jazz CVT it was pretty much the opposite, it felt really unwilling. To get out of the way from manual cars on traffic lights you needed to push the pedal all way through to "kickdown". With anything less it felt like the car was pulled with a long and soft rubber band. And the same feeling continued also when the car was moving. The sport mode helps a little, but high rpm all the time does not sound nice. Maybe it'd be fine if my other car was a screaming Ford truck with 2-stroke Detroit diesel - or rather an M113 with a Detroit diesel and an automatic. Jazz CVT felt like a lazy horse, you need to whip it all the time to get anything happen. Not effortless at all. So that made it clear that my Jazz will have the 6-speed manual.

But that's just my subjective opinion. I can fully understand people preferring the easiness over the eager moving and selecting the CVT. It's just different preferences and expectations.


Edit: OK, comparing to M113 was unfair - it just makes noise but doesn't get going no matter how hard you kick it

 

Manual. Pros: Fun
Auto: Cons: Dying slowly inside.

 

It doesn't happen very often, but if you have a dead battery, you can push start the manual but not the CVT. The Fit was not designed to be a fun car to drive. You just make extra work having to shift the gears instead of enjoying the scenery with the slower CVT.

 

It is of course subjective, but in my opinion Fit is a fun car to drive. With manual. Small, agile, good handling and nice performance. Would be even better with couple hundred pounds less weight and without driving interference systems.

 

Interesting, I'd be curious if the fail rates of the two lockout strategies are listed anywhere.


3 pedals are more fun. They do offer superior engagement. People decide what the manufacturers make, so clearly it's the automatic buyers that've stunted the "fun-curve". . The new supra doesn't even offer a 3 pedal variant, and that's infuriating.


Quiet, loud; these are all relative...

It's hard to hear the "noise", when the driving experience is more engaging. You go from being transported, to being the transporter. The adrenaline kills the noise.

 

Precise analysis would be quite challenging, as for statistical evaluation both solutions should be in otherwise similar structure and in theoretical calculation the fail rate of a partially software based system is not straightforward at all to define. But having the instructions how to proceed if the system prevents engaging reverse in Jazz user manual and having never had such instruction with mechanical latch sets some assumptions of the likelihood. I think

 

If I remember correctly you can't even roll a CVT. Our garage and apron are pretty much level. Instead of starting the engine when I want to wash one of my cars I usually just put it in neutral and push with one foot until it is on the apron. With my 81 Corolla AT I can do this, but I remember trying it with our 16 Fit CVT and it wouldn't budge. Probably because everything in cars these days is computer controlled. Mind you, you can't start the older AT by "popping" it either but at least I can move it in neutral.

 

It must have been a pretty young friend. I learned to drive in England several decades ago and you couldn't take the test in an automatic.

 

That's fair.

 

in with wasserrball and torontoboy ..manual all the way!!!!....uuuuntil ur knee gives out!!!

 

CVT or Manual? Depends on how you want to use the car. All my personal cars were manual! But, I use the Fit as a daily mule, and with the CVT less engagement is required to get from A to B. There is no pros and cons.

 

Just realized I never actually weighed in with a proper contribution to pros and cons of auto vs manual, so lol:

Automatic/CVT Pros: None
Automatic/CVT Cons: All

Manual Pros: All
Manual Cons: None

 

Opinions here are really irrelevant when you consider that in America currently, more than 98% of new cars sold come with some kind of an automatic/CVT transmission. The public has made their decision - there are even more electric cars being sold than MT ones now. It's very hard to find an MT which supports adaptive cruise control and automatic braking, very desirable modern features and MT cars no longer have the gas mileage advantage they once had.. My first few cars were all MT but I would never ever buy one again.

Sure, outside North America MT cars are still very popular, but the trend is the same.

 

Precisely. The public opinion is what's ushered in the decline of the correct transmission. We all know there's a right, and a wrong transmission. It's a shame the public wants to form an opinion on the matter.

Did you lose a leg? I can imagine if i lost a leg too, i'd find some way to use a motorcycle style clutch lever. Which ever leg you lost, condolences.

 

CVT Pro: I can use my left foot to brace my back to the seat during a sharp turn.