Fuel Injector replacement at 25k
I'm sure I've seen some anecdotal evidence around forums that people claim to have resolved the problem by using things like fuel injector cleaner, fuel with enhanced cleaning features, and Sea Foam? I don't know if any of those ideas truly help but I kind of wish I tried before going down a route that ended up costing me a bunch of money (even after some Honda good will adjustments.)
Last edited by woof; Dec 5, 2019 at 12:33 PM.
The dreaded 2015 fuel injector replacement, does it actually help?
So I've been poking around on here and google ever since I had all my warning lights come on at 97,000 miles 3 months ago. My mechanic did some work and we decided to drive it for a bit and see if they came back, not wanting to cough out the money for the injectors at the time. Well, 3 months and 7,000 miles later, the same issue. All the lights and a misfire code. I take my Fit to a local shop that I trust, but they are not comfortable replacing such an expensive part without being 100% sure it's the injectors. Mine is the first Fit they have worked on. They had it for a day troubleshooting it, and we discussed the options.
So, my question is, I see so many people on here saying they've had their 2015 fuel injectors replaced, but has it worked? Did it solve the issue long-term? I'm at 105,000 miles now, and I'd really like to get it to at least 150,000 with routine maintenance after this. I'm expecting to replace the clutch this year as well, and that will be pricey. Due to my job, I haul a lot of equipment and drive about 30,000 miles a year, so the Fit is really the best option and I'd hate to give it up, I don't want a CUV or SUV, and all the other hatches just don't have the interior space I need. But reliability is key for me, and if it's not going to be, I will look at other options.
*Edit: I would be taking it to the dealership for this work. I've never had a dealer work on it, but I've checked with the local shops and none have replaced fuels injectors before.
So, my question is, I see so many people on here saying they've had their 2015 fuel injectors replaced, but has it worked? Did it solve the issue long-term? I'm at 105,000 miles now, and I'd really like to get it to at least 150,000 with routine maintenance after this. I'm expecting to replace the clutch this year as well, and that will be pricey. Due to my job, I haul a lot of equipment and drive about 30,000 miles a year, so the Fit is really the best option and I'd hate to give it up, I don't want a CUV or SUV, and all the other hatches just don't have the interior space I need. But reliability is key for me, and if it's not going to be, I will look at other options.
*Edit: I would be taking it to the dealership for this work. I've never had a dealer work on it, but I've checked with the local shops and none have replaced fuels injectors before.
From memory: All the 2015's and a few thousand early 2016's had a defective injector / rail assembly. There's a TSB somewhere here about it. If problems developed before the warranty expired, the dealer replaced the system at no charge.
The problem is, many of these systems failed after the warranty expired, or well after. The design is still suspect. Replacing with new parts that still have the design defect might not buy as much time as you'd think.
You can contact Honda corporate, but they'll probably tell you they won't help since they have no incentive past the warranty expiration.
There is no good answer here. You can easily spend $1.5 - 2K on replacing the system (the injectors have to be replaced in quad-matched sets, can't buy just one) with not much assurance it'll last as long.
The problem is, many of these systems failed after the warranty expired, or well after. The design is still suspect. Replacing with new parts that still have the design defect might not buy as much time as you'd think.
You can contact Honda corporate, but they'll probably tell you they won't help since they have no incentive past the warranty expiration.
There is no good answer here. You can easily spend $1.5 - 2K on replacing the system (the injectors have to be replaced in quad-matched sets, can't buy just one) with not much assurance it'll last as long.
Man, reading this thread makes me really glad I bought the bumper to bumper extended warranty. I got my 2015 through an auto broker that's a family friend and I got a full warranty up to 135k miles for only $350. Currently sitting at 48k miles with no issues.
Not saying you made the wrong decision. Just saying reality bites.
That looks like a 3rd party warranty versus the extended manufacturer warranty judging by the price. Hopefully you have good luck or never need it, but I've read enough reviews where they decline warranty repairs or do not pay the full amount after a long drawn out process.
Had a check engine light for P219A a couple of days ago. I had it prior to this, a few weeks back, but I figured it was simply a 'rogue' emissions code because I had just bogged the engine with an early gear change. This second time I searched into and found the dreaded fuel injector problem. I guess I am now on the band wagon with a 2015 EX sitting at just over 92K miles. I drove today and picked up a fuel rail and injectors from a wrecked 2019, and then grabbed a new valve cover gasket and throttle body gasket from the dealer. I plan to adjust valve clearance while I have it half apart anyway.
I have never worked this deeply on the Fit before, it's been a great car with just fluid and tire changes, aside from the push to start button acting up (a good clean fixed it) and a dead battery once.
Right now I am going through the Chilton's service manual site and grabbing off all the write ups I think I'll need.
If I can, I'll try to do a little video or write up of the fuel injector swap and valve clearance adjustments.
My only regret owning this car was following the maintenance minder and doing ~10K mile oil changes. It definitely needs it at 5K, I think, especially since I use cheaper gas. I haven't yet seen the carbon deposits inside the engine, but I have to guess they will be there.
I have never worked this deeply on the Fit before, it's been a great car with just fluid and tire changes, aside from the push to start button acting up (a good clean fixed it) and a dead battery once.
Right now I am going through the Chilton's service manual site and grabbing off all the write ups I think I'll need.
If I can, I'll try to do a little video or write up of the fuel injector swap and valve clearance adjustments.
My only regret owning this car was following the maintenance minder and doing ~10K mile oil changes. It definitely needs it at 5K, I think, especially since I use cheaper gas. I haven't yet seen the carbon deposits inside the engine, but I have to guess they will be there.
Honda TSB A18-027 Faulty fuel injectors.
This was a widespread problem on 2015 Fits and maybe early 2016 models. Honda redesigned the fuel injectors to solve the issue.
The problem is that Honda should have recalled ALL affected cars and replaced the injectors with the redesigned version but instead they simply sat back and only replaced ones on warranty if they became a problem. Once you're off warranty Honda won't cover it and they'll just play the new company song to you, "Too bad .... so sad ..."
This was a widespread problem on 2015 Fits and maybe early 2016 models. Honda redesigned the fuel injectors to solve the issue.
The problem is that Honda should have recalled ALL affected cars and replaced the injectors with the redesigned version but instead they simply sat back and only replaced ones on warranty if they became a problem. Once you're off warranty Honda won't cover it and they'll just play the new company song to you, "Too bad .... so sad ..."
If you even own a '15 Fit, pull the injector and look at the part number. It won't match what you can buy for the car now from Honda.
Last edited by GAFIT; Dec 14, 2020 at 08:24 AM.
If you simply scroll up to post #68 in this thread you will see a picture of the old and new fuel injector side by side with obvious outside differences. The person posting the picture also discusses some of the differences in things like markings. The most important thing is what's different on the inside of the injectors and we have no way of knowing that. That's proprietary information and Honda is never going to talk about that. They are no longer even likely to talk about having changed anything now or mention it in any documents now because some disgruntled owners are talking about class action suit over the issue.
If you simply scroll up to post #68 in this thread you will see a picture of the old and new fuel injector side by side with obvious outside differences. The person posting the picture also discusses some of the differences in things like markings. The most important thing is what's different on the inside of the injectors and we have no way of knowing that. That's proprietary information and Honda is never going to talk about that. They are no longer even likely to talk about having changed anything now or mention it in any documents now because some disgruntled owners are talking about class action suit over the issue.
Well owners such as myself have every right to be pissed off. And basically they either put it in writing that the $700 replacement part is corrected. Or they damn well deserve whatever they reap. Personally personal opinions carry zero weight regardless of if you choose to yap incessantly about it for years or not. Where is the proof??
The proof is in the part number change and in post 68 above. Are you really this dense?
2016 Fit EX-L owner here. Purchased it certified used at 16K in 2018. CEL came on twice this past week at 40K. Went to Dealer and was told "Cylinder A/F test found cylinders #1 and #4 failed" excess fuel from fuel is burning the cat. WTF does this mean? Am I looking at a huge bill? I just got this car like months ago and the sales dude assured me it's the most reliable vehicle in its class. Was I duped?
Last edited by djpazzy; Jan 2, 2021 at 06:37 PM.
2016 Fit EX-L owner here. Purchased it certified used at 16K in 2018. CEL came on twice this past week at 40K. Went to Dealer and was told "Cylinder A/F test found cylinders #1 and #4 failed" excess fuel from fuel is burning the cat. WTF does this mean? Am I looking at a huge bill? I just got this car like months ago and the sales dude assured me it's the most reliable vehicle in its class. Was I duped?
Second Fit and Fuel Injector Replacement!
My story is a 2003 Element, got hit rear ended bad in 2007, didn't declare totaled, stretched out frame, never drove the same. Ended up trading it in for a 2008 Fit new, drove her 190K miles over six years. Loved the car, ended up trading her in for a used 2011 CRV, eventually traded her in for a new 2018 HRV. Quickly figured out that I was too tall for it and could not finish a cup of coffee or flip my glassed over top of my head. I am a hard core cyclist, both road and MTB bike, lusted again for an Element. Became obsessed with an E again, found a 2011 EX with 96K miles at Rusty Wallace Honda in July 2020. I did everything over the phone including trading in my HRV, they were GREAT! Drove three hours to complete transaction, was in and out in less than half an hour. Spent 2K having everything imaginable done to make her totally pristine which included a CAT shield to stop the thievery of the coveted E converter. Welcome to 2021 and 1/6/2021 I hit a deer straight on at 60 MPH. Nothing wrong with me, however my dream car was declared totaled with $8,148 in damages (could go higher once they got in it). Got the exact payout from State Farm that I had come up with so happy there. My wife and daughter wanted me to find another E and there were a couple 2011's for sale but couldn't go through all that again if I smacked another deer would probably be in the same boat. To be honest I did miss the newer technology. So that brings me to my second Fit.
I ended up buying a 2018 EX-L with 22,000 miles from Music City Honda. It was the first time I have ever had what I would say is a terrible experience buying a car. I had no trade in, already had a loan from the credit union and you would think easy peasy in and out. First they came back and tried to add over 1K to the advertised internet price for "getting the car ready which was broken out as windshield wipers, oil change, wheel alignment and $340 to detail the car! It sucked having to actually fight to get what was agreed upon up front. It is a great little car and drives tight and is clean so was worth the fight over pricing. I had driven the car two days in a row and no issues at all. After the transaction they pull it around, the sales guy starts to go over all the features like cycling through the fuel gauges, the various indicator stuff and we get the dreaded Christmas Tree light syndrome. He says he must have hit reset, we can't get them to turn off and so he gets a service tech, he can't turn them off, they drive the car in the repair shop and I wait a couple of hours, they give it back and said it was a code for misfire on a cylinder, they replaced a spark plug. Off I go and later that day the Christmas Tree returns, call the sales guy and bring it back Monday. They have it all week and end up replacing the fuel injectors and rail. At first they said I would not pay anything but get a call and they said the GM will pay for most of it and wanted me to pay $500. Now in TN there is no lemon law or any recourse on used car sales, returns so I felt I really had no way to push back. I googled and found 1500-2200 for fuel injector and rail replacement on a Fit. I also felt that it was good it happened then and not two days later or else I would have been footing the whole bill. At the end of the day I was okay with the service aspect of my overall transaction. Everyone in service was great and friendly.
Even with all that I am happy I bought my Fit. Love the car and am looking forward to hitting 200K with her. I ordered a Yakima roof rack so I can carry three bikes. Long live the Fit!!!
I ended up buying a 2018 EX-L with 22,000 miles from Music City Honda. It was the first time I have ever had what I would say is a terrible experience buying a car. I had no trade in, already had a loan from the credit union and you would think easy peasy in and out. First they came back and tried to add over 1K to the advertised internet price for "getting the car ready which was broken out as windshield wipers, oil change, wheel alignment and $340 to detail the car! It sucked having to actually fight to get what was agreed upon up front. It is a great little car and drives tight and is clean so was worth the fight over pricing. I had driven the car two days in a row and no issues at all. After the transaction they pull it around, the sales guy starts to go over all the features like cycling through the fuel gauges, the various indicator stuff and we get the dreaded Christmas Tree light syndrome. He says he must have hit reset, we can't get them to turn off and so he gets a service tech, he can't turn them off, they drive the car in the repair shop and I wait a couple of hours, they give it back and said it was a code for misfire on a cylinder, they replaced a spark plug. Off I go and later that day the Christmas Tree returns, call the sales guy and bring it back Monday. They have it all week and end up replacing the fuel injectors and rail. At first they said I would not pay anything but get a call and they said the GM will pay for most of it and wanted me to pay $500. Now in TN there is no lemon law or any recourse on used car sales, returns so I felt I really had no way to push back. I googled and found 1500-2200 for fuel injector and rail replacement on a Fit. I also felt that it was good it happened then and not two days later or else I would have been footing the whole bill. At the end of the day I was okay with the service aspect of my overall transaction. Everyone in service was great and friendly.
Even with all that I am happy I bought my Fit. Love the car and am looking forward to hitting 200K with her. I ordered a Yakima roof rack so I can carry three bikes. Long live the Fit!!!


