CVT Went at 104k Miles - No OEMs anymore
Possible scenarios for transmission damage are:
1. Being a 2015 transmission at the beginning of GK production there may have been some initial assembly problems at the Mexican(?) factory where they were built.
2. The transmission fluid changes done may have done with non-Honda fluid creating the problem. Honda is very specific about only using their fluid.
3. The heat in Phoenix over the years might have damaged the transmission unexpectedly. And yes, for this more frequent fluid changes might have helped. It is hot down there!
etc.
Where did you get this information from? I see nothing like this in my Fit manual.
Utter nonsense. Being 15K miles late on a fluid change is never going to result in that transmission self destructing. In any event you should be able to go 75K miles before even bothering to do a first CVT fluid change with no problem. That's like suggesting that being 5000 miles late on doing an engine oil change will result in the engine blowing up.
Possible scenarios for transmission damage are:
1. Being a 2015 transmission at the beginning of GK production there may have been some initial assembly problems at the Mexican(?) factory where they were built.
2. The transmission fluid changes done may have done with non-Honda fluid creating the problem. Honda is very specific about only using their fluid.
3. The heat in Phoenix over the years might have damaged the transmission unexpectedly. And yes, for this more frequent fluid changes might have helped. It is hot down there!
etc.
Utter nonsense. Being 15K miles late on a fluid change is never going to result in that transmission self destructing. In any event you should be able to go 75K miles before even bothering to do a first CVT fluid change with no problem. That's like suggesting that being 5000 miles late on doing an engine oil change will result in the engine blowing up.
Possible scenarios for transmission damage are:
1. Being a 2015 transmission at the beginning of GK production there may have been some initial assembly problems at the Mexican(?) factory where they were built.
2. The transmission fluid changes done may have done with non-Honda fluid creating the problem. Honda is very specific about only using their fluid.
3. The heat in Phoenix over the years might have damaged the transmission unexpectedly. And yes, for this more frequent fluid changes might have helped. It is hot down there!
etc.
1) When you have too much metal, the viscosity increases.
2) Which results in higher friction
3) Which leads to higher heat
4) Which leads to additional accelerated wear
5) Go to 1 because it feeds back on itself.
CVTs are a very delicate type of transmission because of this single critical component must be maintained properly.
The 30k interval is from various dealers and other users on this forum.
Here is a video of a CVT fluid change on a Fit.
One of the comments is a question: "Excellent, thanks! How often would you say you need to change it?"
Scott Leker responds: "It comes up about every 35000 miles."
Also, fair enough, 2015 Honda Fits from Mexico did have issues and a recall.
Perhaps there was an issue with this particular Fit, but all the more reason to be cautious and maintain the fluid properly.
Last edited by kittenbutt; Aug 3, 2021 at 12:48 AM.
Hello Folks!
I want to add my own experience with changing the CVT fluid and getting the "small" (so far!) issues with the tranny after that. I own a Fit 2017, and I got 35K miles when I decided that it's time to change the CVT fluid. I did the transmission fluid change with the filters on my own, one inside (strainer, OEM part#25420-5T0-003) with removing the pan and cleaning magnets. Another one is on the radiator side (warmer, OEM part#25450-P4V-013). I used HCF-2 fluid (used an OEM Part#08200_HCF2), all these parts were purchased at official Honda Parts retail (dealership and hondapartsconnection.com) with the VIN verification before purchasing. Fluid was drained into the drain pan and then measured, and I added the same amount as drained - approx. 4 Liters. I believe something happened right after or during the CVT oil change. I’m assuming the ECU just got an unknown glitch and changed the modes how it should move the pulleys and belt inside the tranny.
After the fluid was changed I noticed some changes which are not making me happy anymore with the driving experience of my Honda:1) It jerks or even stall out when start driving, no matter, warm or cold, moving backward or forward. However, this is an intermittent issue. It happens once in approximately 6-10 engine starts-stops. Most of the time it starts just normal.
2) CVT slips/shifts to neutral when decelerating on D mode, RPM drops from higher revs to 1000-1100RPM. I know for sure that it’s been keeping the gear engaged while decelerating before, RPM was dropping just slightly, by 200-300RPM. However, if you drive above 65-68 mph on the freeway and then decelerate, it keeps the revs and tranny engaged, how it should. Below that speed, it shifts to neutral, making cruising on neutral, which is not only uncomfortable but also unsafe under certain conditions. On S mode everything works as it should.
3) I am getting increased fuel consumption. Before it was 38-40mpg on mixt(city25%-HWY70%), now I am barely making 33-35mpg on the same driving routine. I have a feeling that the engine is dealing with a bigger strand/load while accelerating. I was able to start the car and accelerate it on 1500-1700RPM smoothly before, but now it requires higher revs (1700-2000RPM) to get it moving from the stoplight smoothly.
I bring these questions to the dealership and they said smth like: " No codes, no problem". Their tech test drove it and said - this is how CVT should actually act, which is BS (sorry for my French). Long story short: they did flush the fluid after all and I see no improvements at all. They said they can't reprogram it as this one is not reprogrammable. (another BS I believe)
Does anyone know what could have happened? This vehicle is the only vehicle in my family, so no racing, no extremal driving modes, most mileage was made on the HWYs with speeds no more the 70mph. I love the vehicle, not abusing it. Before flushing the fluid - I've sent the sample of the original fluid to the Blackstone laboratories to inspect the fluid condition and it was absolutely fine.
I will appreciate any advice.
I want to add my own experience with changing the CVT fluid and getting the "small" (so far!) issues with the tranny after that. I own a Fit 2017, and I got 35K miles when I decided that it's time to change the CVT fluid. I did the transmission fluid change with the filters on my own, one inside (strainer, OEM part#25420-5T0-003) with removing the pan and cleaning magnets. Another one is on the radiator side (warmer, OEM part#25450-P4V-013). I used HCF-2 fluid (used an OEM Part#08200_HCF2), all these parts were purchased at official Honda Parts retail (dealership and hondapartsconnection.com) with the VIN verification before purchasing. Fluid was drained into the drain pan and then measured, and I added the same amount as drained - approx. 4 Liters. I believe something happened right after or during the CVT oil change. I’m assuming the ECU just got an unknown glitch and changed the modes how it should move the pulleys and belt inside the tranny.
After the fluid was changed I noticed some changes which are not making me happy anymore with the driving experience of my Honda:1) It jerks or even stall out when start driving, no matter, warm or cold, moving backward or forward. However, this is an intermittent issue. It happens once in approximately 6-10 engine starts-stops. Most of the time it starts just normal.
2) CVT slips/shifts to neutral when decelerating on D mode, RPM drops from higher revs to 1000-1100RPM. I know for sure that it’s been keeping the gear engaged while decelerating before, RPM was dropping just slightly, by 200-300RPM. However, if you drive above 65-68 mph on the freeway and then decelerate, it keeps the revs and tranny engaged, how it should. Below that speed, it shifts to neutral, making cruising on neutral, which is not only uncomfortable but also unsafe under certain conditions. On S mode everything works as it should.
3) I am getting increased fuel consumption. Before it was 38-40mpg on mixt(city25%-HWY70%), now I am barely making 33-35mpg on the same driving routine. I have a feeling that the engine is dealing with a bigger strand/load while accelerating. I was able to start the car and accelerate it on 1500-1700RPM smoothly before, but now it requires higher revs (1700-2000RPM) to get it moving from the stoplight smoothly.
I bring these questions to the dealership and they said smth like: " No codes, no problem". Their tech test drove it and said - this is how CVT should actually act, which is BS (sorry for my French). Long story short: they did flush the fluid after all and I see no improvements at all. They said they can't reprogram it as this one is not reprogrammable. (another BS I believe)
Does anyone know what could have happened? This vehicle is the only vehicle in my family, so no racing, no extremal driving modes, most mileage was made on the HWYs with speeds no more the 70mph. I love the vehicle, not abusing it. Before flushing the fluid - I've sent the sample of the original fluid to the Blackstone laboratories to inspect the fluid condition and it was absolutely fine.
I will appreciate any advice.
I'm at 90k and no problems whatsoever and I've been pretty hard on the car.
change the Trans oil and filter around every 30k miles.
You can reset the pcm. Here is the video.
change the Trans oil and filter around every 30k miles.
You can reset the pcm. Here is the video.
Last edited by SLIPNFIT; Jan 14, 2022 at 09:49 PM.
There is much more to this store than the OP is saying. CVT trans don't go bad for no reason at that low of mileage. Unless not taken care of or worked on improperly. Also CVT trans are still available at Honda new just that is a load of BS. You need to go see another dealer and get some real help elsewhere. Honda CVT's are not known for failure like the Toyota CVT's.
Honda service calls for a CVT drain and refill only. You should not be opening up the transmission and fooling with the magnets and filters.
Evergreen215, it's possible that the transmission may reset itself and work properly as you do more driving. There was also a complete back to factory reset procedure posted somewhere recently in a thread here. Not sure if it was specifically for a Fit or another Honda. Might be risky to do though.
Evergreen215, it's possible that the transmission may reset itself and work properly as you do more driving. There was also a complete back to factory reset procedure posted somewhere recently in a thread here. Not sure if it was specifically for a Fit or another Honda. Might be risky to do though.
Look, I don't know if you know how a CVT works, but the reason why CVT fluid changes are so important is that the friction on the steel belt wears it down over time and the metal particulates contaminate the fluid.
1) When you have too much metal, the viscosity increases.
2) Which results in higher friction
3) Which leads to higher heat
4) Which leads to additional accelerated wear
5) Go to 1 because it feeds back on itself.
CVTs are a very delicate type of transmission because of this single critical component must be maintained properly.
The 30k interval is from various dealers and other users on this forum.
Here is a video of a CVT fluid change on a Fit.
One of the comments is a question: "Excellent, thanks! How often would you say you need to change it?"
Scott Leker responds: "It comes up about every 35000 miles."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ4lOoRG8Y4
The owner's guide relies too much on the Maintenance Minder for my comfort.
Also, fair enough, 2015 Honda Fits from Mexico did have issues and a recall.
Perhaps there was an issue with this particular Fit, but all the more reason to be cautious and maintain the fluid properly.
1) When you have too much metal, the viscosity increases.
2) Which results in higher friction
3) Which leads to higher heat
4) Which leads to additional accelerated wear
5) Go to 1 because it feeds back on itself.
CVTs are a very delicate type of transmission because of this single critical component must be maintained properly.
The 30k interval is from various dealers and other users on this forum.
Here is a video of a CVT fluid change on a Fit.
One of the comments is a question: "Excellent, thanks! How often would you say you need to change it?"
Scott Leker responds: "It comes up about every 35000 miles."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ4lOoRG8Y4
The owner's guide relies too much on the Maintenance Minder for my comfort.
Also, fair enough, 2015 Honda Fits from Mexico did have issues and a recall.
Perhaps there was an issue with this particular Fit, but all the more reason to be cautious and maintain the fluid properly.
I wouldn't count out an eventual warranty extension. Honda has already set a precedent for extending transmission warranties with the transmission offered in many Honda & Acura models in model years 2000-2003 and the 7 year/150,000 extension for 2016/2020 HR-Vs announced last year.
We had a tranny go out at 49,000 miles in a 1999 Odyssey and although '99s weren't specifically named in the first warranty extension it was covered in 2003. IIRC Honda fought owners for quite a while before relenting. Honda's own numbers were a 2% failure rate. Honda was forced to extend warranties a second time out to 7 years or 107,000 miles and include more vehicles.
2% failure means 98% won't have a problem and some of those 98% will blame the owners for causing it.
We had a tranny go out at 49,000 miles in a 1999 Odyssey and although '99s weren't specifically named in the first warranty extension it was covered in 2003. IIRC Honda fought owners for quite a while before relenting. Honda's own numbers were a 2% failure rate. Honda was forced to extend warranties a second time out to 7 years or 107,000 miles and include more vehicles.
2% failure means 98% won't have a problem and some of those 98% will blame the owners for causing it.
I wouldn't count out an eventual warranty extension. Honda has already set a precedent for extending transmission warranties with the transmission offered in many Honda & Acura models in model years 2000-2003 and the 7 year/150,000 extension for 2016/2020 HR-Vs announced last year.
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You're talking about cars that Honda is currently selling and will probably be selling for years into the future. Maintaining those cars reputations is important to maintain sales. The Fit on the other hand in North America is dead dead dead. No reason for Honda to invest another nickle in it.
Maybe so but as litigious as Americans are all it takes is a few accidents and a few smart lawyers and it could suddenly be in American Honda's interest to take a closer look. A car that looses motive power to the wheels during otherwise normal operations is fodder for a safety recall.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...r-cvt-trouble/
You're referring to an article from 6 years ago. Honda recalled the cars affected and did a software update to solve the problem and eliminate any risk of transmission failure of the drive pulley shaft. Problem quickly solved back in 2015 by Honda. From what I can see that has nothing whatsoever to do with the CVT failure that OP describes - unless OP got a recall notice back in 2015 and never bothered to take his car in. In that case the failure would be on him, not Honda.
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