Say in the case of the broken shock tower cap. Why not put the stock parts back on(grated u still have them) and take it in for warrenty?

I mean i wouldnt go as far to say if u had a turbo kit install to take that off just to bring it in for warrenty but stuff with in reason. I know i have done this twice before and nothing was brought up about mods and it was fix under warrenty.

 

Because it's dishonest, and drives up warranty costs for the vast majority of people that don't modify their cars?

 

What "warranty costs"? If the defect is covered by the warranty, there is no cost.

 

Gotta find a modification friendly dealer. When I pull in with one of my cars, they are in awe of what I did and usually don't hassle me one bit. There is a level of respect that happens because of the care and expense that I went thru in modifying one of their cars, a Honda.

Back in the 80's and probably early 90's, dealers were trying to muscle consumers into the scare tactic that if they didn't allow them to install their alarm system, that it would void their warranty. Directed Electronics stepped in and got the word out about the Mag-Moss-Act and it gave consumers a choice and car audio specialist who did these installs a fighting chance against the bullshit that dealers were trying to scare consumers into.
Gotta have choices. It keeps the playing field level.

Imagine when eventually the OEM's put the aftermarket out of business. It's slowly happening now. You will have to buy a car loaded with crap and that's all there is to it. You won't have choices other than to buy a different car mfg's car with their crap.

 

please explain in great detail and cite different references to back up your statement about these "Warranty Costs".

 

Warranties are like insurance that you pay the entire premium for up front. The basic warranty is included in the price of the car, while longer warranties are available for additional cost. The cost included in your vehicle is determined by the historic and predicted rate of failure and average claim magnitude (it's actually a bit more complicated than that, but that will suffice for now). If there are more claims, then the cost is greater and that is reflected in the "premium" included in the purchase price. Where did you think the money for all those warranty repairs was coming from?

I am reassured that you don't seem to disagree with the dishonest part.

 

don't worry about the repost
i never knew about it.
so thankyou!!

 

in the case if the broken shock tower cup i would of put on the stock suspension and took it in and made them fix it. I highly doubt that your coilovers designed and engineered for YOUR specific car caused such a problem. Therefore by me putting the stock suspenion back on just gets rid of the run-around they would of gave me for THEM trying to skimp out on something they wont make ANY money for. I wouldnt even think twice about a situation like this.

 

Really? You would replace the stock parts with aftermarket ones, and then, when a related part breaks you wouldn't suspect the aftermarket parts were the culprit? Ever heard of Occam's razor?

I would trust Honda's engineers over the engineers of some aftermarket firm. Especially since the aftermarket engineers aren't necessarily interested in reliability or durability, mainly they're interested in performance.

 

but then also some techs at honda dont know what they are doing on the warrenty repairs even more so new cars. all they have to go on is diagrams and books. they were not fully trained on fixing it. so taking to a aftermarket place to fix your car will be the same out put. just my thoughts tho..

 

Now you are making yourself a real, live Newfie joke.

 

If your lowering resulted in angles of the joints exceeding specs the joints will have a much shorter life. That can happen at lowered height as well as at both ends of suspension travel. Universals like straight line connections.

 

Gee, with 3 of us here with more than 150 years aggregate experience we still go get the shop manual. No matter how good memory is, its no substitute for the written word. Thats why we have more than 100 shop manuals on our bookshelf. Including about every Honda manual since 1976.
Einstein had it right: if you waste your mind with memory 'files' substituting for something easily looked up, you won't have room for important stuff. The problem is techs who won't reference the manual when they need to.

 

Maybe not to you but there is to the dealer's shop and to Honda. Its work cost that is borne by the dealer and/or by Honda. It adds to the price of the next sales targets. Too much warranty costs drive next year's car prices up. And even this years.

 

Most shops, like ours, when they see things like the cracked cup look for other signs of you modifying the car. You going to hide the nut swirls and other signs of replaced suspension parts?
They aren't skimping. just not looking to work for free just like you want it for free.