Long (!) review of automatic vs. manual Fit Sport (US)
#221
In response to your mileage claim for the Fit in Europe, it should be noted that the numbers you state are for imperial gallons. Converted to U.S. gallons your average mileage is not 45 MPG it is really on 38 MPG (per U.S. Gallon). Still njot bad for an auto tranny.
Anyway I did convert the figures according the factors found in following page.
Imperial and Metric Conversion Factors - Table - MSN Encarta
Please inform if factors stated there are not correct!
My calculation:
7977km / 479.85l = 16.624km/l
16.624km/l * 2.3521 = 39.101mpg (US)
16.624km/l * 2.824859 = 46.96mpg (imperial)
#222
Great review.
For flat, terrain which Toronto streets are I have no quams. I have a DX 5sp Auto. The thing leaps off the line and gets up to speed quicker than expected -- seriously. It's hilarious I was thinking was going to be getting Corolla performance.
For flat, terrain which Toronto streets are I have no quams. I have a DX 5sp Auto. The thing leaps off the line and gets up to speed quicker than expected -- seriously. It's hilarious I was thinking was going to be getting Corolla performance.
#223
also, in many cars now you will have to dbl clutch into first. i'd rather not go into a long drawn out treatice on why, but just know that you do . this is especially critical with all the hondas i have driven/owned. bimmers can usually downshift into first while moving without much trouble if you revmatch properly, but honda transmissions just need everything moving before it slids in nice and comfy.
2. CVTs basically stink for everything but economy driving.
3. The shift actuation method is completely and wholly irrelevant to shifting performance. It doesn't matter if you are hitting paddles, moving a lever, stepping on a button, or yelling "shift" into a microphone. Your shifting performance comes from the shift mechanism, and a clutch is going to trounce any torque converter sold in a consumer car. Hydro-electric clutches and DSGs are of course a different story.
4. No one complained about DBW on the NSX in 1989 did they? How is the new S2000? When you're talking about results, the technology is used is irrelevant compared to the implementation quality. DBW works well and is fairly responsive on the Fit.
audi a6 has over one second of dbw lag. why do you think people distrust dbw in economy cars? it's because dbw in more expensive cars has let so many people down already. thankfully i haven't noticed any lag in the fits i've driven.
on the mt/at debacle that went on/is going on: i'm a mt fan till the end. then again i shave with a straight razor and can pass for sasquatch while nude, so i'm just about the damn pinnacle of manliness *bites a cows ass off and swallers it whole*
yes...swallers.
#224
not entirely true. dropping 2 or more gears should be double-clutched if you have a fairly weighty drivetrain. it spares your synchros from a good deal of abuse. double clutching a fit, since it drives (for all intents and purposes) one wheel, is more a matter of convenience.
also, in many cars now you will have to dbl clutch into first. i'd rather not go into a long drawn out treatice on why, but just know that you do . this is especially critical with all the hondas i have driven/owned. bimmers can usually downshift into first while moving without much trouble if you revmatch properly, but honda transmissions just need everything moving before it slids in nice and comfy.
also, in many cars now you will have to dbl clutch into first. i'd rather not go into a long drawn out treatice on why, but just know that you do . this is especially critical with all the hondas i have driven/owned. bimmers can usually downshift into first while moving without much trouble if you revmatch properly, but honda transmissions just need everything moving before it slids in nice and comfy.
damn them!
never speak in absolutes in a situation with so very many possibilities.
never speak in absolutes in a situation with so very many possibilities.
my sti's dbw reacts better than a cable-driven tb. the dbw on the ford f150 and on the mustang gt both have a significant amount of lag. people have measured nearly a second of lag on the mustang. some tuning should help this, but yeesh...that's horrible.
audi a6 has over one second of dbw lag. why do you think people distrust dbw in economy cars? it's because dbw in more expensive cars has let so many people down already. thankfully i haven't noticed any lag in the fits i've driven.
audi a6 has over one second of dbw lag. why do you think people distrust dbw in economy cars? it's because dbw in more expensive cars has let so many people down already. thankfully i haven't noticed any lag in the fits i've driven.
on the mt/at debacle that went on/is going on: i'm a mt fan till the end. then again i shave with a straight razor and can pass for sasquatch while nude, so i'm just about the damn pinnacle of manliness *bites a cows ass off and swallers it whole*
yes...swallers.
yes...swallers.
#225
My first honda was a 1990 Civic DX hatchback. I could shift the trany with out the clutch any time I choose to.
My most recient manual was a 2006 MINI and despite it having a Getrag transmission, it did not like to be shifted without the clutch.
I am older, 37 and when it comes time to order, I will be getting the 5speed AT. Then I will finally be able to live out my F1 dreams....
My most recient manual was a 2006 MINI and despite it having a Getrag transmission, it did not like to be shifted without the clutch.
I am older, 37 and when it comes time to order, I will be getting the 5speed AT. Then I will finally be able to live out my F1 dreams....
Last edited by DrDiff; 03-29-2007 at 07:33 AM.
#226
After reading many seemingly very different reports on fuel mileage i think part of the problem is tank filling.I just bought 08 Fit sport with AT.Left dealer with tank reading full.After 120 miles tank read about 1/2.I fueled up with nozzle held on lowest flow when getting near full
On starting out tank read a little over full and I drove 40 miles before it came down to full reading.This would make a big differance in ful mileage figures.I suspect the fuel flow at most service stations shuts off early on this car.Put the last of it in slowly to get tank full.40 miles is big diff.
Mack
On starting out tank read a little over full and I drove 40 miles before it came down to full reading.This would make a big differance in ful mileage figures.I suspect the fuel flow at most service stations shuts off early on this car.Put the last of it in slowly to get tank full.40 miles is big diff.
Mack
#228
CVT's are nothing new..Honda has been using then since early 80's at least.
My Helix is an '04, but was designed in '85 and it has a CVT. It works fine, never a problem, people are just scared to try new things they don't understand. Otherwise CVT would be more common in the US, but give us time.
My Helix is an '04, but was designed in '85 and it has a CVT. It works fine, never a problem, people are just scared to try new things they don't understand. Otherwise CVT would be more common in the US, but give us time.
#230
reviving old threads ftw!
there are a lot of great posts in this thread by members who don't even seem to exist anymore!
#231
#232
I have an 06 Automatic Corolla and may be buying an '09 Manual Fit Sport. I love how the Fit has side airbags, ABS, power windows, etc... Way more than my Corolla has. Plus, the Corolla's suspension is so awful that it feels like I'm going to flip every time there's a turn on the freeway.
My biggest worry is going from a 126hp engine to a 118hp engine. This is because I've driven in a Toyota Yaris Automatic and it was SO UNBELIEVABLY SLOW. Will I have problems with the '09 Fit's smaller engine?
Thanks!!!
#233
It is just about 5000 miles (7977km) now and I can’t complain about the mileage.
Average for the 5000 miles = 6.015 l/100km (it’s the way we count in Switzerland)
= 16.624 km/l = 39.101 mpg (US) = 46.960 mpg (Imp.)
Best tank filling = 5.63 l/100km
= 17.761 km/l = 41.774 mpg (US) = 50.171 mpg (Imp.)
Worst tank filling = 6.657 l/100km
= 15.022 km/l = 35.334 mpg (US) = 42.436 mpg (Imp.)
The worst tank was during wintertime, with AC 100% switched on.
I can’t complain about AT either :-)
Average for the 5000 miles = 6.015 l/100km (it’s the way we count in Switzerland)
= 16.624 km/l = 39.101 mpg (US) = 46.960 mpg (Imp.)
Best tank filling = 5.63 l/100km
= 17.761 km/l = 41.774 mpg (US) = 50.171 mpg (Imp.)
Worst tank filling = 6.657 l/100km
= 15.022 km/l = 35.334 mpg (US) = 42.436 mpg (Imp.)
The worst tank was during wintertime, with AC 100% switched on.
I can’t complain about AT either :-)
This is 17.036 km/L or 40.07 mpg (US)
It could be better, since my working way is daily 4 x 5km, a lot of the distance is done in the warm-up sequence of the engine!
#235
Now it's an average of 17.178km/l or 40.41mpg (US)
#236
2008 Fit MT after 14,000 miles
Great car. City and steady highway: 30-35 mpg. Hilly terrane with lots of coasting and minimum braking: 45+ mpg. Love the turbo-like power surge on regular gas (thanks V-Tec!) at 4,000+ rpm. So Cal's Angeles Crest Highway is a perfect drive for a Fit. A Mini Cooper S may be more fun to drive but has heavy expensive run flat tires, needs premium gas, is cramped, and tries too hard to be cute and trendy.
#237
I love my 2010 Fit Sport with the manual. It's my first stick, and the gas mpg is unbelievable in the manual. Of course with no overdrive the engine might be louder at hwy cruising, but Honda engines are supposed to sound like that when they rev, it's part of the fun!
#238
I'm still surprised when I read about the Fit being considered as underpowered. You do know you have to keep the revs high to go go go don't you? And I don't mean 3000rpms, I mean 4 - 5 - 6000! I'm always reading about how people don't like it's merging capabilities getting on the highway - by the time I'm in 4th with my 5spd M/T, I'm hitting 65 no prob. You really just need to rev the crap out of it. Of course, I'm always alone in the car too... maybe that's why it feels so spritely.
#239
Does that mean you think it's faster than the Corolla?
I have an 06 Automatic Corolla and may be buying an '09 Manual Fit Sport. I love how the Fit has side airbags, ABS, power windows, etc... Way more than my Corolla has. Plus, the Corolla's suspension is so awful that it feels like I'm going to flip every time there's a turn on the freeway.
My biggest worry is going from a 126hp engine to a 118hp engine. This is because I've driven in a Toyota Yaris Automatic and it was SO UNBELIEVABLY SLOW. Will I have problems with the '09 Fit's smaller engine?
Thanks!!!
I have an 06 Automatic Corolla and may be buying an '09 Manual Fit Sport. I love how the Fit has side airbags, ABS, power windows, etc... Way more than my Corolla has. Plus, the Corolla's suspension is so awful that it feels like I'm going to flip every time there's a turn on the freeway.
My biggest worry is going from a 126hp engine to a 118hp engine. This is because I've driven in a Toyota Yaris Automatic and it was SO UNBELIEVABLY SLOW. Will I have problems with the '09 Fit's smaller engine?
Thanks!!!
#240
Question: I have A/X'd my AT GD3 (under Stock Specifications) for the past 2 years and I have never felt I needed to worry about tranny fluid temps even in 95 degree weather since 60 second runs are about the max we ever run on. In the Seattle area we don't have much Summer heat anyway. But now I am looking to explore tracking the car a bit this year and possibly building toward the new B Spec class that Mazda & Honda are trying to jump-start this year. I know there is a small transmission fluid radiator down there (I broke the inlet pipe shortly after I got the car and had the pleasure of paying for the replacement, since it was my own stupid fault! [Don't Ask, Please]).
My question, finally and obviously, is does anyone have experience in Road Racing or extended HPDEs with the 1st gen AT in longer runs w/ considerably more aggressive gear changing etc.? I do worry about this in any really hot weather.
Thanks for any help or insights!
My question, finally and obviously, is does anyone have experience in Road Racing or extended HPDEs with the 1st gen AT in longer runs w/ considerably more aggressive gear changing etc.? I do worry about this in any really hot weather.
Thanks for any help or insights!
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