There's 2 different 1.5 L engines fitted in the JAZZ/FIT, read it in a review but can't remember specifics.

I'll do a search and will be back w/ more info (i hope).

 

Here's the link..http://asia.vtec.net/Reviews/JazzVtec/index.html

 

u guys are not comparing NA Fit with Jazz i-DSI, right? it's totally different.

i-DSi is very slow and has a lot better MPG.

Also think about the emmision devices we have in NA Fit?

 

It's a comparison i'm trying to make to ease confusion on mpg's.

1.5L v-tec vs. 1.5L i-Dsi

Anyway, anyone who hasn't read it should.

 

I am not old enough to remember the Model T Ford, but I am old enough to remember cars in the 1960s and 70s. Not sure what it was like in the US but over here cars have improved hugely by any measure you like to choose since then.

Value for money, efficiency (48 imperial mpg for a car pushing out 75hp and capable of doing 100mph), reliability, comfort, acceleration, speed, safety, and security have all improved, and not just by a bit. Of those for most ordinary users (not motoring journalists) the most important is reliability. That is what allowed Japanese car firms to take such a large market share around the world. Reading your posts it seems the American car makers are learning the same hard lessons our European ones did.

IMHO the next step change in transport, if that is what you are after, will not involve cars as we know them , and certainly not the internal combustion engine.

 

Efficiency has not been a focus of innovation over the past 100 years.

I think the foreign makers have a leg up on the domestics, but I still think they are all late to the party.

 

The drive for efficiency has been about for many years in Europe. We do not have the same history of "gas guzzlers" as the US. Over here petrol (gas) has always been much more expensive than in the US, mainly because it is the target of indirect taxation by most of our governments. With the latest price hikes we are paying the equivalent of about $6 for a US gallon of petrol!!

Therefore we have always had a much greater emphasis on economy, with generally much smaller cars with smaller engines and many more diesel engines in cars. My guess is that that trend will continue (I don't see oil getting much cheaper do you) here and will also become more important in the USA.

 

Good point Peter. I will be happy when they start bringing some of the nice diesels you have across the pond.

 

I have not done any highway driving yet.

 

I have the VAG V6 2.5L turbo diesel in my Skoda Superb (same as in the Audi A6) with Tiptronic gearbox - a very smooth unit producing 160bhp and if I am light footed I can get over 40mpg on long runs. Where diesel engines really score over similar sized petrol engines is in the torque figures - which gives lots of mid range acceleration

But my wife's new Jazz with the 1.4 petrol engine is very impressive too - shows what can be done to reduce fuel use - just a shame Honda put the thirstier 1.5 engine in the North American version.

 

I agree, I would love to own a ford fiesta, or a vw lupo tdi.

 

Lies, lies and damn statistics. Out in the real world just drive it, enjoy it and enjoy the excellent real world milage which has no bearing on any BS test lab.

As for the difference between the gutless NON-VTEC 1.3L sold as 1.4L in some markets and the VTEC 1.5L. 24nm torque less, 20kw less for 0.3L/100km fuel saving. If your going to be that much of a miser get a push bike or walk and get 0L/100km - in fact the bike has more chance of getting up a decent hill faster. You don't get a choice in some markets like Europe where the vastly superior VTEC Jazz/Fit is not offered and their vehicles are made in lowest cost mainland China.