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Old Dec 17, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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Question about the clutch in the MT...

So my question is, sometimes when I push the clutch in to upshift, I can feel the "revving" of the gas pedal on the clutch. This seems to only happen when I am uplifting quickly at a slightly higher rpm (about 3200). Under normal driving, the clutch is smooth as butter. Any ideas on what this could be?

I've driven other MT cars and they don't seem to do this.

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Old Dec 18, 2010 | 09:37 PM
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Wow. 100 views and nobody has a hunch?
 
Old Dec 18, 2010 | 10:07 PM
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I may have the same issue...

First of all, mine has been intermittent. 2ndly, this is my 2nd Honda is a row with this problem. My last was an 08 Accord 6MT, and in that car it was not only all the time, but more severe.

How mine is felt is during the uptake of the clutch - the first inch of pedal travel from the top. It's felt more in lower gears or higher rpms. If say I'm in 1st and rev it sort of high, then press the clutch ONE INCH down and hold it there, this creaking feel (no sound) will be felt.

So far no one has been able to diagnose this issue. On my Accord, the tech said it's a high-performance clutch coupled to a high powered engine. Uh huh. So shouldn't every high performance car I've driven had this? Someone should diagnose what's wrong with the dumb as a rock techs.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 06:49 PM
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So with 165+ views and only one response, should I just take my car to Honda and have it checked out being that my car is still under warranty? The only reason this "problem" is a big deal Is because I have never experiened it in other MT cars I have driven. It's not really a make or break thing.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 07:06 PM
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You have a hydraulic clutch, so the engine vibrations can be felt when you are giving gas. Its normal but not good for the clutch.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 07:34 PM
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If it was normal one would feel it on every MT car. This trait has only been present on my last 2 Hondas. It a pretty annoying characteristic.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 07:41 PM
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There are two types of clutches, cable and hydraulic. Hydraulic is a liquid so when you rev the motor when shift you can feel it in the pedal. I never had that problem because I let off the gas to change gears. What you are feeling is clutch slip, There also could be air in the line so it doesn't fully disengage but from the info the OP gave it sounds normal.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 07:48 PM
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You may be talking about something else. At least with my issue I can tell you it is not normal. As I said, if it was, I would feel it in every MT car I've driven with a hydraulic clutch. Even all the cars I've owned had hydraulic clutches. All 7 of them.

Also, if it was normal, why is it an intermittent characteristic on my Fit? Not only is it intermittent, the degree of creak on the pedal varies when the trait comes back.

No, it is not something that requires lubing. It can be felt if you gently press the clutch about a few millimeters when in gear and revving.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CrystalFiveMT
You may be talking about something else. At least with my issue I can tell you it is not normal. As I said, if it was, I would feel it in every MT car I've driven with a hydraulic clutch. Even all the cars I've owned had hydraulic clutches. All 7 of them.

Also, if it was normal, why is it an intermittent characteristic on my Fit? Not only is it intermittent, the degree of creak on the pedal varies when the trait comes back.

No, it is not something that requires lubing. It can be felt if you gently press the clutch about a few millimeters when in gear and revving.
How many miles on your car and how old is? Just like brake fluid it does need to be replaced from time to time. My clutch would act up a little when it was cold 0 degrees but went away after a few pumps of the clutch. I had a GE3 with 37000 miles on it when I traded it in. There might be air in the line, bleed it and see if it goes away. But feeling engine reving is normal and you should never ride the clutch pedal. My first car was a 67 Volvo and it had a HY. clutch and when you rev'ed the motor and power shifted you would feel the engine.

If theres air in the line it wont fully disengage so the best way to fit out it to pump the clutch a few time and if the pedal is harder and also check the fluid to make sure it full. If the fluid is low then there a leak and could be leaking on the pressure plate.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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Firstly, I don't "ride" the pedal, lol. In trying to diagnose the problem, I discovered this technique to demonstrate the problem to the Honda techs.

I have 22,000 on my 09 Fit. BUT, this trait manifested itself shortly after new. My Accord developed this soon after new as well.

It's not due to driving style either. I'm very conservative as far as my daily drive and again, this trait was absent in all my previous cars.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 08:19 PM
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BTW, there was a previous post regarding this, but there were more than a few of us with this problem on our 09s.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CrystalFiveMT
Firstly, I don't "ride" the pedal, lol. In trying to diagnose the problem, I discovered this technique to demonstrate the problem to the Honda techs.

I have 22,000 on my 09 Fit. BUT, this trait manifested itself shortly after new. My Accord developed this soon after new as well.

It's not due to driving style either. I'm very conservative as far as my daily drive and again, this trait was absent in all my previous cars.
I just realize you live Cal. Does this happen when taking off on a hill? I would check the fluid level and would bleed the fluid. Its not a high performance clutch so the techs are at a lost too. Its a ceramic clutch and will slip when not letting the clutch out right and also if taking off on a upward hill it hard to get going. It will bang hitting the flywheel (like wheel hop).
 
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When this trait comes up, it happens all the time, hill/decline/flat/warm/cold/rain/sun/weekend/weekday, LOL. There is no consistency in when it shows up other than when it does, it stays for maybe several days at least. But it has gone away each time too.

Thanks for trying to help.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CrystalFiveMT
When this trait comes up, it happens all the time, hill/decline/flat/warm/cold/rain/sun/weekend/weekday, LOL. There is no consistency in when it shows up other than when it does, it stays for maybe several days at least. But it has gone away each time too.

Thanks for trying to help.

I think what he is trying to get at is their exists a Clutch Delay Valve on the GEs and GDs.

On the GD it is in-line, on the GE it is incorporated into the master cylinder.

Their are ways to get around this to deliver more linear pressure plate manipulation, and in nicer cars, some Audis (a early 90's RS4 comes to mind) this is also a standard feature meant for people who have never driven stick or are not expected to be the best at driving stick, like the Fit's demographic... Not aimed at enthusiasts or old timers necessarily.

I encountered this as well initially. More of a problem when trying to roll into first nice and easy or when "soft shifting" into second or third.

Hope this helps.
 
Old Dec 20, 2010 | 09:35 PM
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DiamondStar, please read my above posts. I'll iterate that this is an intermittent and severity-varying trait.
 
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Originally Posted by CrystalFiveMT
DiamondStar, please read my above posts. I'll iterate that this is an intermittent and severity-varying trait.
I did read your posts and maintain my statement. The various iterations of CDVs provide for a very inconsistent engagement. Like I said, this is not a problem unique to your Fit or even Hondas.

But you decided to reject that sentiment out of hand... so good luck.

Edit: I wasn't referring to gear engagement.. Hope this gets resolved.
 

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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 03:06 PM
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Well I can tell you your suggested reason is not what I'm describing. And it has NOTHING to do with the actual gear engagement.

But thanks for the help anyway.
 
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