You need to try some C16, just take the cat out and use a straight pipe and put it back in later. Then you will see the full benefit of your great build up, then you wont want to go back to pump gas.

 

Cat, lol, I haven't had one of those for months

 

I normally dont recommend leaded fuel but seen the benefits last summer. It has a 14.8 fuel air/complete burn. Easy to tune with max horsepower and little stress on motor compared to pump gas. The cost is higher than 100 octane at 15 dollars a gallon but a few gallons wont hurt the o2s if you dont run it all the time.

 

Or do what I used to do... drive your car out on the tarmac at a small airport like Palwaukee and fill up on 100LL (Blue AVGas) for $6-9

Then when you get sick of paying that much for your power addictions.. start making your car some stiff Gas/Water/Meth/Toluene cocktails!

I want to start a fuels thread about the differences and pro/cons to all these like E98 Vs. Q16 but I get the feeling that it would go about as well as the threads that are only discussing different shades of grey of regular pump gas...

 

Ya, but need a disclaimer, only use if you know how too. Q16 is oxygenated c16 right? AV. gas is mostly alkyates and lead but very low compared to C16. If you remember the 89 octane of the 80s it had lead in it, the same amount as AV. gas LL100.

 

Yea, I get the feeling most of what I say should have a disclaimer now.

I used the AV Blue stuff because it let me exhaust gas sensors last several thousand miles longer. I run really rich in the summer, so a couple thousand miles is significant.

But really, if someone is to the point of mixing fuels, like Lyon, I am ASSuming they have done a decent amount of research beforehand. Which he typically does, but for the average FF member, you are probably right about that!

 

I don't actually see fuel blending being anything more than a drag or dyno day treat. In terms of cost effectiveness for my daily drive watermeth makes alot more sense. That way when I'm just cruising down the highway I'm not burning $5-$10 a gallon fuel mixtures. Even toluene is on the expensive side. Watermeth is dirt cheap in comparison. I really only bought the 100/93 as a test to see if I am having any knock issues. Thanks to it I now know that I am straddling the line towards knock which explains why I was getting different results after each fillup of 93. This just means that I have to accelerate my plans of getting water meth. Luckily it's little more than an easier version of a nitrous install.

 

Isn't amazing how a little bit of boost can show you just how much of a difference there is in the gas you get tank to tank?

You will thoroughly enjoy meth injection I can't wait till you show the Turbo/Supercharged GD guys how relatively simple water/meth is. You probably stand to pick up as much or more power from the meth as you will when you get a nice turbo back!

Get at least a 1 gal reservoir so you don't have to constantly fill it or worry if you are out (an LED on the dash that tells you when the pump is on would help) and something like a ~500cc/min Nozzle (@ 150psi) fed by a Shurflo brand high pressure pump, so that way you don't have to upgrade anytime soon. A progressive controller (which I ended up switching to eventually) is worth buying a kit for.

Ask me how I know

When I am happy with a given tune, in the Laser 1 gallon of meth will last me about as long my 15gal fuel tank with a healthy amount of spirited driving, granted that is on a measly ~675cc/min nozzle.

I have a question for ya to ponder.. pre or post turbo injection?

 

O? I could probably research an answer in a couple minutes but in all honesty I was under the impression that injection had to be done post MAF. In retrospect I'm not actually maf tuned under boost so even if some hits the hotwire and screws with the reading it shouldn't really matter.

 

Ugh. You GE guys and your friggin MAF's

Yea it should probably be post MAF.

But if you feel lucky, and you want to try something based on my plans for my GD... after you have established a tune you are happy with on the big nozzle up by the throttle body, at some point in the future you could tee off the feed line to a solenoid and then a second smaller nozzle pre compressor.

At the boost you are starting to get up to you will get several benefits from this.

As the air leaves the comp. exducer and is compressed on the comp. housing a lot of heat is generated.

The methanol (and/or water blend) which is already atomized from injection absorbs the heat and much of it will change phase even under pressure. The remainder will then mostly condense inside the IC, which will both keep it clean and help cool through evaporation, increasing efficiency. What little if any meth makes it through that will be mostly in gas form at this point and still relatively cool.

This allows your second nozzle to become even more effective, as well as provide a decent squirt of fuel and will help bring your IDCs down.

The fluid still has to be compressed with the air on the way through the turbo, so it will feel like spool has increased when really its similar in effect to flipping a switch and having ambient temps drop 40+ F and combustion chamber temps can drop as much as 300F! Plus all the air is compressed around the volume of the un-evaporated methanol injected so you do seem to build boost faster.

 

You might have problem in the summer with 16 pound of boost. If you already knock retard in the winter for ever 10 degrees warmer its 1-1.5 degrees of timing unless you use a higher octane. I hope the water/met works but from what my son tells me power is lower and some drive ability problems. I dont know enough about that to say for sure. 100 octane is OK but needs lots of fuel because of the fuel/air burn rate(13.7)

Most likely your going to re-tune at a lower boost but still have a good power.

 

Finally ditched the stock exhaust. Leaned me out and bumped throttle response. Totally worth the money for that $25 cherry bomb... muahahaha. Still adjusting tune for new found flow.

 

I plan on doing a turbo, but i'm going to wait until my powertrain warranty is up, so it'll be a while. Hopefully by then someone will actually make a manifold that bolts up, because I'm a little weary of hacking one to fit.

Do you have any more pictures os that manifold? Did you have to put an adapter plate in as well? What had to be modified? What are your EGT's?

 

Neukin makes a manifold, the R18 manifolds work to as Lyon discovered for us.

 

@Lyon... That exhaust system is insane...... I can imagine flames, loud pops, highway droning that will make see double and higher revving turbo blades.

 

It's loud, It's true. Luckily I still have my exhaust drone abatement system installed.



I still can't convince myself to get trid of 80lbs of box, amps, and subs to see if it makes a tangible difference.

You can see my emergency break down kit. Consisting of
-oil -coolant -oil and trans lines -hose clamps -tools -blanket -funnel -Jump Starter Pack w/ air compressor.

 

When you are my age you will be sitting in front of the television asking why someone doesn't turn the volume up loud enough for you to hear and they are going to tell you it is all the way up already... This is what I have been experiencing for years and why I have to be fitted with new hearing aids again... I'll bet you have tinnitus already.

 

Is that why I go deaf in one ear randomly for about 15-20 seconds and hear this faint ringing.

 

Yep, and it only gets worse... I have done a lot of things that have contributed to having a hearing loss but after 2 hours at 70 MPH in the Fit I can hardly hear myself when I am talking in what I think is a normal manner. I see people that should be out of hearing range staring at me like they are annoyed so I'm doing the hearing aid thing again... The audiologist says I have a classic case of combat hearing loss. Everyone has always told me my cars and motorcycles were too loud.

 

I have discovered love for the leaded go-go juice. At $8.00 a gallon for pump 111 octane leaded. I buy 2.5 gallons and mix it with 7 gallons of premium 93 @ $4.40 a gallon. If the blond chick is at the station at night I can even fill directly to my car.


This makes $5.34 a gallon 98 octane fuel.