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I havent even received the letter and one of the customer service reps at American Honda phone line refused to send me a letter stating that it had had to be mailed out long time ago and that it's not their problem that I have never received. They "could not mail a second one", per this service representative.
If the engine fails catastrophically and the dealer will attribute it to LMS recall not being done, I think they will try to put the blame on the owner for not bringing the vehicle in. More problems down the road, basically. |
I am going to have to retract the last statement that said that the dealer fixed my valve noise. My dad took it in and gave me the feedback. Apparently he doesn't know what the hell he is listening to. The car sounds exactly like it did before. I am going to have to take it in again.
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Does anyone have the actual service bulletins that could be printed out?
EDIT: I found them. By the way, an easy way to make sure the intake gaskets are replaced is to make small punctures with a needle on top of the gaskets which would allow you to quickly recognize them if they are not replaced after the reassembly. If anyone wants the diagrams and the removal of rocker arm assembly or intake manifold, let me know and I will post it here.Attachment 37203 |
wow still scared to take mines in
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john - I'm not sure what you're looking at but the LSM recall has nothing to do with pulling the intake manifold....
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Originally Posted by john21031
(Post 979227)
I havent even received the letter and one of the customer service reps at American Honda phone line refused to send me a letter stating that it had had to be mailed out long time ago and that it's not their problem that I have never received. They "could not mail a second one", per this service representative.
If the engine fails catastrophically and the dealer will attribute it to LMS recall not being done, I think they will try to put the blame on the owner for not bringing the vehicle in. More problems down the road, basically. Just ask them to look up your VIN in their computer. |
Originally Posted by Krimson_Cardnal
(Post 979187)
Two links to look at:
TCC Tip: Know Your Recalls How long after a recall is posted can I take my car to have the recall item replaced? - Ask.cars.com Recall are not associated w/ warranty periods or original owners. good reality check.... because i had a vague memory of reading or seeing that after a certain period, if you dont get the recall done, then the manufacturer doesnt have to pay for damage if the (in this case) LMS should fail. that apparently isnt true. i think i was confusing it with the obligation of the manufacturer to provide the fix within 60 days of announcing a recall. |
Originally Posted by clicq
(Post 979406)
Does your dealer actually need the letter? I didn't have the letter when I went in to have the recall done, nor did the service writer ask for it at all.
Just ask them to look up your VIN in their computer. Can anyone post a copy of the actual letter received int he mail?
Originally Posted by Krimson_Cardnal
(Post 979398)
john - I'm not sure what you're looking at but the LSM recall has nothing to do with pulling the intake manifold....
Those four round gaskets have to be replaced with the new ones. If you mark your old ones with a slight needle hole, then you can see whether they actually got replaced. But you are right, the actual intake manifold does not have to be removed. |
Originally Posted by john21031
(Post 979430)
They don't ask for the letter and my car falls within the ones needing the recall work done. I just want to see the letter to read it in its entirety and see what it says about not performing the recall. Is it mandatory? If you don't, does it say what the consequences to expect?
Can anyone post a copy of the actual letter received int he mail? |
Originally Posted by clicq
(Post 979453)
The TSB has an example of the letter sent to customers on the last page (page 4): http://racing.honda.com/hpd/images/p...ing_Update.pdf
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Originally Posted by john21031
(Post 979455)
Thanks, but that's a letter to service managers.
February 2011 Safety Recall: Lost Motion Springs Dear Fit Owner: This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act. What is the reason for this notice? Honda has decided that a defect, which relates to motor vehicle safety, exists in certain 2009 and 2010 model year Fit vehicles. There is a potential for one or more of the four spring assemblies on the engine's variable valve timing and lift electronic control (VTEC) system to fail which may cause the engine to stall and prevent it from being restarted. An engine stall will increase the risk of a crash. What should you do? Call any authorized Honda dealer and make an appointment to have your vehicle repaired. The dealer will inspect and replace the spring assemblies in your engine if necessary. This work will be done free of charge. Please plan to leave your vehicle for a full day to allow the dealer flexibility in scheduling. Who to contact if you experience problems. If you are not satisfied with the service you receive from your Honda dealer, you may write to: American Honda Motor Co., Inc. Honda Automobile Customer Service Mail Stop 500-2N-7A 1919 Torrance Blvd. Torrance, CA 90501-2746 If you believe that American Honda or the dealer has failed or is unable to remedy the defect in your vehicle, without charge, within a reasonable period of time (60 days from the date you first contact the dealer for a repair appointment), you may submit a complaint to: Administrator National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 1200 New Jersey Ave., SE Washington, DC 20590 Or call the toll-free Safety Hotline at 888-327-4236 (TTY 800-424-9153), or go to Home | Safercar -- National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). What to do if you feel this notice is in error. Our records show that you are the current owner or lessee of a 2009 or a 2010 Fit involved in this campaign. If this is not the case, or the name/address information is not correct, please fill out and return the enclosed, postagepaid Information Change Card. We will then update our records. Lessor information. Federal law requires that any vehicle lessor receiving this recall notice must forward a copy of this notice to the lessee within 10 days. If you have questions. If you have any questions about this notice, or need assistance with locating a Honda dealer, please call Honda Automobile Customer Service at 800-999-1009, and select option 4. We apologize for any inconvenience this campaign may cause you. Sincerely, American Honda Motor Co., Inc. Honda Automobile Division |
Oh you are right. I mistakenly looked at the 5th page.
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this is the only thing i got in the mail... and it's somewhat of a form-notice... a fill in the blank kind of thing...
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/2893/recall.jpg |
Does anyone have the instructions on how to adjust the valves on one of these cars? I can't believe that the service technician would screw this up 2 times in a row. I would like to read up on how to do it before I go in, so I can be more educated on it. I know on the old V8's you just had to torque them down. I don't know see how that can be screwed up easily. Maybe this is more complicated? I can't imagine it being too bad.
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Originally Posted by patm95
(Post 979698)
Does anyone have the instructions on how to adjust the valves on one of these cars? I can't believe that the service technician would screw this up 2 times in a row. I would like to read up on how to do it before I go in, so I can be more educated on it. I know on the old V8's you just had to torque them down. I don't know see how that can be screwed up easily. Maybe this is more complicated? I can't imagine it being too bad.
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Originally Posted by clicq
(Post 979457)
This doesn't seem like it's addressed to the service manangers to me...
But it'd be interesting to see an actual letter to see if it matches. |
valve clearance adjustment
Originally Posted by psmo290
(Post 979719)
Ah, I would like to know this as well. Just for educational purposes to protect myself from dealership's trickery
Basically, the engine has to be at the right spot in its rotation first, so you're measuring clearances between the rocker roller and the cam lobe's base circle...ie the valve is fully closed, and each cylinder in order is at TDC. The procedure calls for rotating the engine by hand to #1 TDC, then #3, then #4, then #2. The camshaft sprocket has marks to make this easy to find TDC for each cylinder in order. This is not hugely complicated but does need to be done carefully and in the right sequence. My concern is that many/most dealership techs have no experience doing this, and are learning on our cars. geo |
Since the recall work, I've put quite a few highway miles on the fit and it seems I've lost a couple or three mpgs. I used to get 40-41 on highway runs and now it's more like 38 or a hair less. I can't really say if the engine sound is different from before but there is a little bit of a "sewing machine" quality to it. I really can't hear the the tick-tick sound unless I pop the hood. I made a short cell phone video and would appreciate your opinions.
YouTube - Honda Fit engine sound check - clicking |
I just got mine back and I noticed that my clips are missing too.. good thing my brother-in-law is the service writer..Very good post!!
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NO that does not sound right
Originally Posted by know-nothin
(Post 979764)
Since the recall work, I've put quite a few highway miles on the fit and it seems I've lost a couple or three mpgs. I used to get 40-41 on highway runs and now it's more like 38 or a hair less. I can't really say if the engine sound is different from before but there is a little bit of a "sewing machine" quality to it. I really can't hear the the tick-tick sound unless I pop the hood. I made a short cell phone video and would appreciate your opinions.
YouTube - Honda Fit engine sound check - clicking geo |
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