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Old Oct 17, 2022 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1
Hello,
Has anyone else experienced your valve train being noisy and rattley.?
The car has had regular oil changes at 7500 miles. Usual synthetic oil and filter
The valves have been adjusted serviced at the dealer just over 110 k miles. Also new spark plugs, air filter, CVT serviced every 35 k (all highway miles)
The usual GDI cleaning has been done along with BG 44k in the tank.
The question I have is engine also affected by the oil dilution issue? It gives the appearance that it is based on the noise so soon coming form the valve train.
I have never been told by Honda this was an issue on the 2015 Fit . My former Hondas never had this noise issue. I drove them to 300K
A Little disappointed in my Honda!
Mine was very noisy when we purchased it used from a Toyota dealership in Oct 2020 with 40k miles.
Luckily we still have Hondacare warranty to take care of the VTC actuator failure (cause of the excessive engine noise). Our warranty runs out Oct 2023
After it was replaced I've reduced my OCI's to 6 months regardless of mileage, which usually ends up being far below 2k miles.
More importantly (to me) is getting away from 0w20. These engines have a strong tendency to dilute the oil from direct injection, leading to reduced oil pressure and reduced engine protection.
I've since upgraded to a thicker synthetic oil based on the following Honda India site where they clearly state "0w20 is formulated to improve fuel economy"
I read that as "If fuel economy is your main priority (at the expense of reliability), use 0w20"
https://www.hondacarindia.com/owners...06278046-13011
 
Old Oct 18, 2022 | 12:35 AM
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I don't recall any widespread problems with oil dilution problems in the Fits. from what I do recall there are widespread oil dilution problems on Honda cars with turbo chargers where the turbo charger forces gasoline past the rings and into the oil. That was on the Civics, CRV's and the like. No turbos on the Fits. No oil dilution problem with the Fit.
 
Old Oct 18, 2022 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tk1
Hello,
Has anyone else experienced your valve train being noisy and rattley.?
The car has had regular oil changes at 7500 miles. Usual synthetic oil and filter
The valves have been adjusted serviced at the dealer just over 110 k miles. Also new spark plugs, air filter, CVT serviced every 35 k (all highway miles)
The usual GDI cleaning has been done along with BG 44k in the tank.
The question I have is engine also affected by the oil dilution issue? It gives the appearance that it is based on the noise so soon coming form the valve train.
I have never been told by Honda this was an issue on the 2015 Fit . My former Hondas never had this noise issue. I drove them to 300K
A Little disappointed in my Honda!
As mentioned above, it's likely the VTC actuator. It's a known issue with GK Fits.
 
Old Oct 19, 2022 | 10:57 AM
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Oil tests show…

My oil tests on my FIT show anywhere between .5 and 1.5% oil dilution. Heavier under city heavy driving. (Under 2% is considered safe) so while technically there is some oil dilution(can happen on any car) it is not causing damage.(wear metals were low/normal).
 
Old Oct 21, 2022 | 02:31 PM
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Well it is is very apparent that my 2015 Honda Fit has an oil dilution lubrication problem. At 115 k it has valve train noise that should not be there.
It was changed regularly at 7500 miles with synthetic oil. All maintenance was done.. I think the direct injected engine in my Fit has problems. I never had this problem with my other Hondas. This is the first one that has had this issue. Also the first one with direct injection. The same maintenance on all of them to.. Drove them 300k miles. Even at 300k miles they were quieter than this 2015 Fit engine. It is not the VTC actuator either., From the sound of this engine I will get about half the life of what I used to get on the other non direct injected engines. If this is not corrected recalled by Honda I will not buy another Honda again. I understand that Honda can have issue with fuel injectors, fuel pumps, and starter. These are manufactured parts. This can happen. But when an engine is reengineered with GDI Injection. That is engineering. design change. It does not look like this has gone well. I expect that I will be stuck with a big bill soon. If it is too big I will be changing brands.
 
Old Oct 21, 2022 | 03:25 PM
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You're concluding that your car has an oil dilution problem solely because it has engine noise. If your car truly has oil dilution your oil level would be rising above the dipstick's normal level. The rise should be significant and obvious, and yet nowhere do you claim this is happening. You keep harping on "noise". I suppose if your tires were noisy that would be due to oil dilution as well.

You state that you had a valve adjustment at 110K miles, and that at 115K miles the valves are very noisy. Has it ever occurred to you that whoever did the valve adjustment botched it?
 
Old Oct 22, 2022 | 06:06 AM
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You're concluding that your car has an oil dilution problem solely because it has engine noise. If your car truly has oil dilution your oil level would be rising above the dipstick's normal level. The rise should be significant and obvious, and yet nowhere do you claim this is happening. You keep harping on "noise". I suppose if your tires were noisy that would be due to oil dilution as well.

You state that you had a valve adjustment at 110K miles, and that at 115K miles the valves are very noisy. Has it ever occurred to you that whoever did the valve adjustment botched it?
It was the Honda dealer locally who did the adjustment. I also had them double check it. They said it is set right. Also my dip stick does stay over filled. I took it back two weeks after the original valve adjustment was done. This car has been driven all highway miles. 50-60 miles an hour all its life. Work commuter vehicle.
When an engine is noisy that tells me that things are not well internally. I noted on the the other motors they now recommend 5K oil changes now. One half the normal engine maintenance indicator in the normal Honda with synthetic usage. I have never received any notification from Honda in regards to the Fit.
I would not be surprised if in the next 10-20k miles that I will be back at Honda changing the whole valvetrain and cams out due to wear and tear. I certainly do not expect to get the same long term mileage like my 91 CRX which I drove to 290 K and it was still going strong and quiet yet. Or the other previous Hondas in my family.
 
Old Oct 22, 2022 | 10:24 AM
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For Every Car Made;

There's bound to be a Lemon along the way.

Maybe you have a Lemon that somehow got past Quality Control.
 
Old Oct 26, 2022 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FitFixer33
My oil tests on my FIT show anywhere between .5 and 1.5% oil dilution. Heavier under city heavy driving. (Under 2% is considered safe) so while technically there is some oil dilution(can happen on any car) it is not causing damage.(wear metals were low/normal).
Likewise on my Fit. My latest oil analysis (98,000 miles, 9,000 miles on Honda 0W-20 synthetic oil) showed only a trace of fuel dilution and very low levels of wear metals.
 
Old Nov 5, 2022 | 03:44 PM
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A nice old lady who was parked near me yesterday, didn't have a snow brush.
So after sweeping off my Fit, helped her clean off her suv, then gave her my snow brush.
So darn car cost me another $9 to buy it a new snow brush. 😉
 
Old Nov 5, 2022 | 04:40 PM
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[QUOTE=Breezer;1472420]A nice old lady who was parked near me yesterday, didn't have a snow brush.
So after sweeping off my Fit, helped her clean off her suv, then gave her my snow brush.
So darn car cost me another $9 to buy it a new snow brush.

Well, that's really not the Fit's fault. It's your fault for being a nice human being.
 
Old Dec 1, 2022 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1
It was the Honda dealer locally who did the adjustment. I also had them double check it. They said it is set right. Also my dip stick does stay over filled. I took it back two weeks after the original valve adjustment was done. This car has been driven all highway miles. 50-60 miles an hour all its life. Work commuter vehicle.
When an engine is noisy that tells me that things are not well internally. I noted on the the other motors they now recommend 5K oil changes now. One half the normal engine maintenance indicator in the normal Honda with synthetic usage. I have never received any notification from Honda in regards to the Fit.
I would not be surprised if in the next 10-20k miles that I will be back at Honda changing the whole valvetrain and cams out due to wear and tear. I certainly do not expect to get the same long term mileage like my 91 CRX which I drove to 290 K and it was still going strong and quiet yet. Or the other previous Hondas in my family.
I personally wouldn't be that pessimistic, but it's not impossible. It's important to keep tabs on new tech whenever manufacturers roll it into our cars. Honda seems to have done a very good job with these motors based on my testing data. I'd recommend having a used oil analysis done, it's reasonable and gives you a really superb idea of the motor's condition. My personal recommendation is Blackstone, but there are many other convenient testing services. I'd also strongly recommend checking out the BITOG forums for good tips & solid data.

There's a lot to like about GDI, but when things go wrong the results are usually catastrophic. GDI motors from other makes have been subject to significant cam wear problems (primarily with the high pressure pump cam & follower), and also struggle with intake valve coking and fuel dilution issues.

I also agree with you that the motor is rather noisy, even for a solid-lifter Honda. I can attest that it's quite difficult to get these valves adjusted correctly. To make things worse, the design of the cam chain drive is relatively noisy, and GDI motors tend to make a rather rickety "sewing machine" sound in general.
 
Old Dec 19, 2022 | 12:42 PM
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Radiator is leaking badly, new rad is on order.
 
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