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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 07:45 PM
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Solution to problem, now identified, is on the way. On manual transmission Hondas, the clutch must be fully depressed before the car will start. There is a clutch switch that "tells" the starter system that the clutch is depressed. Apparently someone slipped the clutch a dose of Prozac.
So Honda did not admit to a bad switch part or faulty firmware problem.
 
Old Feb 23, 2016 | 07:53 PM
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Hijacking was semi-intentional. Starter problems being starter problems are related, although from different sources. Several people responded to the OP and I though I could piggyback, attracting more eyes and skills.
It's o.k. with me that you chimed-in. I don't see it as 'hi-jacking". Rather if there is a pattern of failure in the 2015 Fit we need to air out all experiences to help ourselves and our fellow 'fit freaks'.

That said. I have returned from a two day trip to the cold of nearby Western states and am back on the west coast where it is 70 degree weather.

While on the trip, it would take 1-4 times to start, in as low as 28 degree weather.

Today, in the 70's, as I drive around town doing errands, twice it took 8 times to start, twice it started in 2 tries, 3 times it started in just one try.

If filled the tank and I am just short of 69K miles.

I will have access to a VOM tomorrow and will check the VDC and report the values.
 
Old Feb 23, 2016 | 11:40 PM
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So Honda did not admit to a bad switch part or faulty firmware problem.
Admit to what? Parts break, wear out. In your case, it may be wear out, probably from many miles. It probably shouldn't happen, but ....

Now I have less than 1,800 miles on a manual shift Dec. 2014 built EX. It seems to be a mechanical part failure. Yesterday it failed to start 5 different times with multiple retries each time. PITA and with no EPS impossible to steer (failed hydraulic PS no fun either.)

As to weather, this is Tennessee. If you don't like the weather, wait 10 minutes and it will change. Low 60s today and tomorrow, pouring rain, changes to snow Thursday. Yoyo weather since the 1st of the year.

Got bracket recall settled today and the starter part ordered, should be here no later than Monday.
 
Old Feb 24, 2016 | 11:38 AM
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71k miles?

Really? Where do you drive?
 
Old Feb 24, 2016 | 06:16 PM
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Could be starter?
Test for voltage at the solenoid small wire, if battery voltage is present but the starter does not engage, it's not the ignition switch.
I tested the V. Its 13-16VDC at the batt, at the swicth, etc.

It's 65 today and it started on the 1st try 4 times, 2 try 3 times.

Hmmm...
 
Old Feb 24, 2016 | 07:02 PM
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I tested the V. Its 13-16VDC at the batt, at the swicth, etc.

It's 65 today and it started on the 1st try 4 times, 2 try 3 times.

Hmmm...
When the repair is made Monday, I'll ask for the old part. I probably won't get it since it may have to go back to Honda. But the handy dandy iPhone 6 should be able to take a shot. I'll try to post it here.

From the Music City USA.
 
Old Mar 1, 2016 | 01:31 PM
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When the repair is made Monday, I'll ask for the old part. I probably won't get it since it may have to go back to Honda. But the handy dandy iPhone 6 should be able to take a shot. I'll try to post it here.

From the Music City USA.
Not absolutely sure the matter is fixed, but hopefully here is a picture of the replaced part. Sometimes it starts, others it doesn't. Might be because of my short clutch leg. Inexpensive foot pedals anyone?







clutch switch 6 speed 2015 Fit
 
Old Mar 1, 2016 | 09:32 PM
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Not absolutely sure the matter is fixed, but hopefully here is a picture of the replaced part. Sometimes it starts, others it doesn't. Might be because of my short clutch leg. Inexpensive foot pedals anyone?







clutch switch 6 speed 2015 Fit
Can it be fixed? Or did they punt?
 
Old Mar 1, 2016 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Namae Kana
Can it be fixed? Or did they punt?
They are as mystified as I am. They said this was the 1st Fit that they seen with the problem. A few older Civics and Accords w/manual shift but no other Fits ever, not just the 3rd generation. They stopped and started the car at least 5 times before the turned it over to me. Failed. Frustrating.

It may be me. I'm 5'6" (or a little less .... time and gravity), long arms and torso, short legs (less then 26" inseam). Maybe an other quarter inch on the pedals would help. Oh, and I have an artificial right foot (corrective surgery at 14).
 
Old Mar 2, 2016 | 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by KentFinn
They are as mystified as I am. They said this was the 1st Fit that they seen with the problem. A few older Civics and Accords w/manual shift but no other Fits ever, not just the 3rd generation. They stopped and started the car at least 5 times before the turned it over to me. Failed. Frustrating.

It may be me. I'm 5'6" (or a little less .... time and gravity), long arms and torso, short legs (less then 26" inseam). Maybe an other quarter inch on the pedals would help. Oh, and I have an artificial right foot (corrective surgery at 14).
So what if we want to sell the Fit. Will the Honda dealer print and sign a statement saying that "The Fit may not start every time like every other car ever made but that's normal so don't worry about it". We can then show that statement on eBay or Craigslist.
 
Old Mar 2, 2016 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Namae Kana
So what if we want to sell the Fit. Will the Honda dealer print and sign a statement saying that "The Fit may not start every time like every other car ever made but that's normal so don't worry about it". We can then show that statement on eBay or Craigslist.
Excuse me, but where did you get this "we" bit, paleface? Sell it with a disclaimer Honda may are may not be at fault and no dealer is going to hang the fault on the supplier of their product.

While both our problems dealing with starting, the causes seem to be different. Yours maybe the odd mechanical failure because an automobile is a relatively complex device and subject to random failure.

My problem MAY be purely my body build, certainly not Honda's. If I could move the seat slightly more forward, the problem might be solved, but then I'd have to push the wheel forward and tilt it, wind up steering like a bus driver.
 
Old Mar 2, 2016 | 11:16 AM
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just to add my own experiences with my 15 EX Auto with smart start- this winter a couple times the car decided it didn't like one of the Fobs and wouldn't start with it at all- I forget what the dash indicated, but was something unusual not just saying "no key" but the next day and since, it works just fine.

(that was a while after a CVT re-flashing and the coil replacements)

I'd say something with the electronics in these is a little screwey...
 
Old Mar 2, 2016 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick15EX
just to add my own experiences with my 15 EX Auto with smart start- this winter a couple times the car decided it didn't like one of the Fobs and wouldn't start with it at all- I forget what the dash indicated, but was something unusual not just saying "no key" but the next day and since, it works just fine.

(that was a while after a CVT re-flashing and the coil replacements)

I'd say something with the electronics in these is a little screwey...
My guess it's the firmware in a 1st model year car. Mickey Mouse.
 
Old Mar 4, 2016 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick15EX
just to add my own experiences with my 15 EX Auto with smart start- this winter a couple times the car decided it didn't like one of the Fobs and wouldn't start with it at all- I forget what the dash indicated, but was something unusual not just saying "no key" but the next day and since, it works just fine.

(that was a while after a CVT re-flashing and the coil replacements)

I'd say something with the electronics in these is a little screwey...
I just tried, again, isolating by removing the key from the key-ring, and same... it starts on 1st try, 4 try, 3rd try, ...

Oh well, I'm about to make a 3 week trip from PST to EST this weekend. I'll take jumper cables and a trickle charger just in case.
 
Old Mar 4, 2016 | 05:28 PM
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I just tried, again, isolating by removing the key from the key-ring, and same... it starts on 1st try, 4 try, 3rd try, ...

Oh well, I'm about to make a 3 week trip from PST to EST this weekend. I'll take jumper cables and a trickle charger just in case.
Any and all Honda dealers between LaLa land and the Big (rotten) Apple SHOULD be ready and able to do warranty work. Of course the original dealer should be nicest since it wants repeat business. I live between four or five Honda dealers, the closest about 3 miles away. Crest is about 6, but that's were I bought the Fit (better deal)

From the Music City USA

Opps, just remembered that you are several thousands of miles out of warranty. Still, personally, I'd try a Honda dealer if it is NOT a battery dying. 10 AM Sat. CST.
 

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Old Mar 5, 2016 | 12:05 AM
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"Charging System Indicator" message now displays

Big change, the "Charging System Indicator" message went on after driving 15 minutes down the freeway.

Turning off the engine and starting again, the "Charging System Indicator" message displays.

Using a jumper cable hooked up to an old minivan with engine running, an Fit engine running the "Charging System Indicator" message displays.

The timing belt looks good and is spinning the alternator fine.

Looks like it must be a bad alternator or a bad voltage regulator?
 
Old Mar 5, 2016 | 08:42 AM
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Big change, the "Charging System Indicator" message went on after driving 15 minutes down the freeway.

Turning off the engine and starting again, the "Charging System Indicator" message displays.

Using a jumper cable hooked up to an old minivan with engine running, an Fit engine running the "Charging System Indicator" message displays.

The timing belt looks good and is spinning the alternator fine.

Looks like it must be a bad alternator or a bad voltage regulator?
In the meantime I trickle charged the battery for 6 hours.

Now when I start the Fit there is no more "Charging System Indicator" displayed.

So now I suspect it's the battery.

Hmmm.....
 
Old Apr 7, 2016 | 08:29 PM
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I hadmy 2015 Honda Fit LX CVT starting problem diagnosed over the weekend by a close relative who has been in the auto service business for many decades.

He says it's the starter.

It now starts most of the time after 7-8 tried, sometimes 10-12 tries, seldomly 2 or 3 tries.

Trickle charging the battery is fine so it's not the battery.

So i will buy a starter over the web and change it myself.

I have enough spare vehicles around in case I mess up a little bit ;-)
 
Old Apr 8, 2016 | 06:52 PM
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Are you testing the battery with a volt meter or a load tester.. Because a battery can be totally shot and still give a no-load of 13.8 V.

You can also pull the old one first so it can be tested before you buy the new one. You could still have a bad starter relay or ignition switch.
 
Old Apr 26, 2016 | 11:39 PM
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I pulled a starter out of a 2015 Fit wreck at the junk yard, paid for it, and then replaced the starter in my 2015 Fit CVT LX. Now it starts every time. Problem solved. I'm not impressed though with the quality of the Mitsuba starter that failed. Thanks for your advice.
 
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