actually the civic sedan with issued i had were built at the east liberty plant, sub-factory of marysville.. so not marysville plant.
the civic hb that died while driving came from canada..

 

Keep in mind that plants only assemble parts. Generally when something fails it's due to poor design or improperly produced part.

Now if your panels aren't aligned, your seat is loose, or your door handle falls off, that's the plants fault.

The '99 Jetta I had was pretty poorly assembled. VW has come a long way. Our Golf has very well aligned parts and I don't see anything poorly put together. Our GD is same. Actually some of the best panel alignment I've seen.

Not studied a GK. My Lincoln, built in the US, if fairly poor.

 

I have been talking to people at honda corporate about this engine in the fit since the 2016 civics were released. Direct bolt in factory equipment that meets emissions and gains 45 HP. Everything is available with off the shelf parts. They all say the same thing, no they won't build that. A company like chrysler can build and sell 100k 800HP hellcats and demons, but honda won't do it.

It would make a great "image" car. Build only enough that every dealer gets exactly 1 car. Don't advertise that they have built them. Have them all delivered within the same 2 day period to every dealer. Label them as "Fit SI" and number the cars. Wait for the bidding war to start. If they used the Fit sport instead of the EX they could get the weight down and capture what SI used to mean.

A fit with the RS/Sport package and 180 HP with 6mt priced at $23k would sell. Some of us weirdos love the hot hatches.

 

I love the idea but Ford is discontinuing the Fiesta ST, a car that is almost universally praised by automotive journalists, because it doesn't sell. Even doing them as a limited edition like you mention would cost more than they can sell the car for. There just isn't a business case for it because Americans don't buy small cars.

I can't wait for my 2018 Fit Sport and I do love hot hatches. I even considered one a few years back but when it came time to spend the money, I wanted an actual RWD sports car instead.

 

What is really needed is a skunk works so to say; a Honda version of AMG or SRT that is autonomous from mainstream Honda but takes plebeian offerings and turns them into something the enthusiasts desires. I'm not talking a badge that says HFP and delivers nothing but cosmetics; I mean upgraded brakes lighter weight and more HP.

 

Nobody wants to spend as much as the factories ask for their hot versions of regular cars. The Fiesta ST goes for 50% more than the base model. You have to be a seriously unreasonable car enthusiast to pay half again the price of the model you're looking at and not get a larger or generally higher segment car. I would love to see a Fit with a factory Civic turbo engine, but if they call it an Si and price it a few thousand higher than a Civic EX-T, I'm going to save money and get the larger/nicer car.

It makes me wonder how much more it actually costs to make the different cars. It's a mass produced engine- the cost of tooling is spread over hundreds of thousands of Civics around the world. Probably no more than $1k extra per engine, factory cost.

Dealers make it worse by adding markups- saw an article claiming Civic Type Rs are going for as much as 190% of MSRP.

 

......and Honda will never do it hence the reason for my post. We need an HFP that is less cosmetic and more performance. I would have paid more for my wife's HR-V had it been offered with a turbo awd manual .

 

meh, too slow. need 350hp+ and 300+ft/lbs of torque with AWD for true hot hatch folks.

 

Sounds like a Golf-R with a tune

.... but who would pay 40K for a Fit ?

 

yes..

true.. who would pay 40k for a FWD civic typeR even. not me

AWD> FWD for street. nothing like having over 300ft/lbs torque and just spinning the front wheels off the line.. aka my dd..

 

Every one who has driven the Type R disagrees as it doesn't torque steer. In fact, it's faster around a track than an STI which has an actual performance biased AWD system unlike the Golf R.

Clash of Clans: 2017 Type R vs 2018 370Z vs 2018 STI

 

Kenchan didn't mention torque steer....just sayin'

 

Well, since you seem to want to split hairs, he said spinning the front wheels off the line which goes along with torque steer. Either way, the Type R seems to be the real deal.

 

The Type R is the real deal. It's interesting some of the programming that has gone into that car. My understanding is that it cuts power significantly with any steering angle as a way to help maintain traction.

Even with that power cut, it's turning some crazy lap times.

 

LOL..who said anything about torque steer? this day and age, torque steer is old news.

im talking about driving a fwd with lots of torque on the streets where there is all sorts of different driving conditions and surfaces. for example, try accelerating quickly from a standstill while turning on cold surface with a torquey fwd. it's not going to accelerate quickly vs an AWD even with all the electronics you put into it. it's just physics. once the car picks up speed the TypeR is fast but by that time, you'll be at least a car length or two behind, and running illegal speeds on street...and what are you going to do? a ricor flyby?

 

thanks..

it's funny how some folks on this forum start going off at something i didn't even mention.. not that i care, but just weird.

 

Isn't that the definition of torque steer?

Calm down forum warrior, I wasn't going off on anything. Maybe if you had actually articulated your point...

 

No it is not. torque steer is caused by the torque from the drivetrain pushing against the steering. one would have to fight it to keep the steering straight. it was pretty common on cars before electronic steering.

my GTI with over 300ft/lbs has little to no torque steer i could feel while going wot as it has electronic steering. but as a FWD car with that much torque, the problem is traction.

if you're thinking mazdaspeed3 torque steer, those days are long gone.

... and back to the 2018 Honda Fits.