T1R Clutch=Big Time FAIL
ive been all through the honda web and looked for all TSB's i can not find anything about this "clutch delay". please show me documented proof of this symptom because i believe you are using this as an excuse
I am not giving you excuses, I am trying to help.
I don't think you can find any info from TSB , this clutch delay is not a big enough issue for stock Honda Fit while making 90whp but in your case, your car is making 145whp so with the extra power, it problem becomes more obvious.
Here's a post in regards to clutch delay:
S2000 Forums -> Clutch delay valve or slipping clutch?
BTW, how does your stock clutch look ? Any pics ?
I don't think you can find any info from TSB , this clutch delay is not a big enough issue for stock Honda Fit while making 90whp but in your case, your car is making 145whp so with the extra power, it problem becomes more obvious.
Here's a post in regards to clutch delay:
S2000 Forums -> Clutch delay valve or slipping clutch?
BTW, how does your stock clutch look ? Any pics ?
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The Fit like the S2k has the clutch delay. People with S2Ks remove it all together. Im not sure if you can remove it on the Fit but a steel braided line will help. If you were experiencing the "slipping" on the stock clutch AND this new one this could be it. I think I remember you said the Tech said your OEM clutch still looked new. So if you were having the problem on both clutches this could be it. Just something to explore.
Well..... where do i start? i guess ill start when i put the HKS turbo kit on my fit, which is awesome. i drove it for a few weeks and noticed that the clutch was starting to slip going into 2nd gear. so being an automotive technician myself i lifted the car up and took off the clutch inspection plate. what i found was, nothing, no dust no flakes no nothing.
The Fit like the S2k has the clutch delay. People with S2Ks remove it all together. Im not sure if you can remove it on the Fit but a steel braided line will help. If you were experiencing the "slipping" on the stock clutch AND this new one this could be it. I think I remember you said the Tech said your OEM clutch still looked new. So if you were having the problem on both clutches this could be it. Just something to explore.
It will not hurt if Josh tries to bypass the CLUTCH Damper with a braided hose. Just a though, that could possibly fix the problem.
You can build a stainless braided line connect from the clutch MC to the slave MC.
....for cdn 04-06 anyway!So I confirmed AP2 s2000 definitely have that feature, and those BMWs also. I really wanna get the CDV removed sometime in the future. Hopefully there's a kit or a line that can fix the problem.
The oem clutch feels quite grippy most of the time especially under cooler weather(under 20*c), unless I dump the clutch at high rpm.
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Well..... where do i start? i guess ill start when i put the HKS turbo kit on my fit, which is awesome. i drove it for a few weeks and noticed that the clutch was starting to slip going into 2nd gear. so being an automotive technician myself i lifted the car up and took off the clutch inspection plate. what i found was, nothing, no dust no flakes no nothing. so against my better judgment i went on the AJ racing web site knowing they were the only ones that offered a clutch and pressure plate for the fit. what i read was very enticing. they went on and on about how this clutch was better and could hold up to 200 horse power and the how pressure was %30 stronger then stock and how it could be used on turbo or N/A cars. now the web site has changed drastically and says nothing about the capability's of this clutch, but that is besides the point. i bought the clutch and with out going into two many details it took WAY to long to get here, again besides the point. so with my new clutch in hand i took it to my local Honda dealer for them to install it because i only want the best to work on my car. this is where the "fun" starts, the tech who took the OEM clutch out told me there was noting at all wrong with the stock clutch it was not even showing any signs of ware. i told the tech that this is good because this new fancy T1R set has this %30 more grabbing power pressure plate and that will solve my slipping problem. the tech shook his head and told me that he had a good amount of the other techs look at it and none could tell the difference between the OEM and the T1R, pressure fingers, springs and surface all the same. same with the clutch disk it self ,it is all the same. well, i trusted this Canadian company and had Honda put it in anyways. the result is same pedal feel, same grab pressure and now today SAME SECOND GEAR SLIP, i am absolutely irate. i spent $500 dollars on this clutch and $400 for Honda to install it and now im right back were i started. i have not called AJ racing yet because i dont really want to deal with them but i know they post on this forum, so if they read this i just want them to know that some of my colleges have suggested legal action on the basis of false advertising but i dont want to go that rout. i would like a $450 dollar refund. i get to this number by taking half of the product cost and half of the labor cost and paying them my self have having the company at fault pick up the tab for the rest. i think that this is only fair, dont you my fellow Fit freaks?
being a lube monkey doesn't make u an "automotive technician"...u just basically said u suck while being a pro...hmmmmm
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I do kind of agree with others that you should contact AJ-R about your problem before exploiting the issue on the forum. It just causes a lot of unnecessary confusion and hate.
I find it extremely offensive that you state in your sig "Don't give money to Canada". If you had a bad experience with a certain shop, sort it out and do it in a mature manner. Do not go off and insult your northern neighbors. It's just a bad way of handling things. I bought my N1Concepts LED tails and they are crap quality, but I don't go off insulting the USA. I have been scammed a few times off ebay by American sellers, but I don't go off blaming the rest of the country for being scammers.
I recently bought a "authentic" mugen gauges pod from and Aussie seller on the forum.. when i got it, it was fake, didn't fit right, and was useless to me. I didn't go off posting on the forum that "Crocodile Dundee is a Crock of %$#".. I contacted the seller, and they compensated me in a mature manner. I didn't need to flame them on the forum...
AJ-R has done a lot of R&D for our cars, supplied us with plenty of aftermarket support, and have done the best they can to meet all of our demanding needs.
In response to the shipping of parts to the US, don't blame AJ-R, blame the Canadian/U.S. Customs officials at the border. I bought my T1R turbo kit and it arrived at my doorstep in 2 days... I've bought many things from the US, and they have taken anywhere from 5 days to 8 weeks!
I find it extremely offensive that you state in your sig "Don't give money to Canada". If you had a bad experience with a certain shop, sort it out and do it in a mature manner. Do not go off and insult your northern neighbors. It's just a bad way of handling things. I bought my N1Concepts LED tails and they are crap quality, but I don't go off insulting the USA. I have been scammed a few times off ebay by American sellers, but I don't go off blaming the rest of the country for being scammers.
I recently bought a "authentic" mugen gauges pod from and Aussie seller on the forum.. when i got it, it was fake, didn't fit right, and was useless to me. I didn't go off posting on the forum that "Crocodile Dundee is a Crock of %$#".. I contacted the seller, and they compensated me in a mature manner. I didn't need to flame them on the forum...
AJ-R has done a lot of R&D for our cars, supplied us with plenty of aftermarket support, and have done the best they can to meet all of our demanding needs.
In response to the shipping of parts to the US, don't blame AJ-R, blame the Canadian/U.S. Customs officials at the border. I bought my T1R turbo kit and it arrived at my doorstep in 2 days... I've bought many things from the US, and they have taken anywhere from 5 days to 8 weeks!
okay, i am NOT here picking a fight what so ever. but this isn't the first time i have seen this said.
how is it racism when someone doesn't like canada/canadian's? i don't consider canadians to be of a different race. when i think of race, i think asian, latino, and stuff of that nature.
again, not picking a fight. just wanting to inderstand what that statement means.
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racism or not it is still being PREJUDICE like ***bashing, agism sexism, hating people because of religous beliefs.
boycotting an entire nation over a trivial issue is a sure sign of an inferior intellect.
if your ignorance blinds you to the problem of kamiwanabealoser gimme, u too are probably a fueler of some sort of hate (even unknowingly)
boycotting an entire nation over a trivial issue is a sure sign of an inferior intellect.
if your ignorance blinds you to the problem of kamiwanabealoser gimme, u too are probably a fueler of some sort of hate (even unknowingly)
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misinterpretation is fantastic! i even stated twice what i was not trying to do. yet somehow, some way...you didn't read the first or last part of my post.
so saying "so F U u dumb nazi" just makes it better? i am glad you edited that out of your post.
and yes, i fuel my hate against canadian beer. does that make you feel justified now for calling me a nazi? come on man.
The OP was called out for what he had in his sig, and he apologized and edited it.
so saying "so F U u dumb nazi" just makes it better? i am glad you edited that out of your post.
and yes, i fuel my hate against canadian beer. does that make you feel justified now for calling me a nazi? come on man.
The OP was called out for what he had in his sig, and he apologized and edited it.
misinterpretation is fantastic! i even stated twice what i was not trying to do. yet somehow, some way...you didn't read the first or last part of my post.
so saying "so F U u dumb nazi" just makes it better? i am glad you edited that out of your post.
and yes, i fuel my hate against canadian beer. does that make you feel justified now for calling me a nazi? come on man.
The OP was called out for what he had in his sig, and he apologized and edited it.
so saying "so F U u dumb nazi" just makes it better? i am glad you edited that out of your post.
and yes, i fuel my hate against canadian beer. does that make you feel justified now for calling me a nazi? come on man.
The OP was called out for what he had in his sig, and he apologized and edited it.
hey man leave SUCK factor -0 be its not his fault he's a board lonely virgin loser its all he has to be annoying on a forum.lol J/K
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so I don't really care that I'm bringin up an oldish thread cause I read it all and have a question 
So the cdv basically attempts to make everyone equal in the life of MT's yet making people crappy...? And in a sense you could always release the clutch...'cept from a complete stop... really quick cause the cdv'll delay the speed the clutch is engaged and everything is connected?
So the cdv basically attempts to make everyone equal in the life of MT's yet making people crappy...? And in a sense you could always release the clutch...'cept from a complete stop... really quick cause the cdv'll delay the speed the clutch is engaged and everything is connected?