Another KW AT kit- INSTALLED!
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I honestly don't know what the torque converter can handle in the auto fits so I am wondering what the limits will be there.
If I'm not mistaken, it runs pretty cold. It doesn't use exhaust gas' to run the air so there are less heat issues.
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Pretty cold is relative... Colder than a turbo? I'd hope so, there's no exhaust turbine. But it IS compressing air, which causes heat, and if I recall correctly the turbine is pretty close to the exhaust manifold, so that can't help.
That said, I don't doubt it works great without an intercooler, but I also don't doubt an intercooler would bump up those numbers...
That said, I don't doubt it works great without an intercooler, but I also don't doubt an intercooler would bump up those numbers...
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I honestly just can't believe that there's even a FI option for an AT Fit. I am grateful that I have the opportunity. Money is a little tight -- but I had the $$ to make it happen (I don't use credit cards, gave them up 2 years ago -- no cash no toy is my motto), and it's worth it big time to me. I want power and all, but primarily what I use the car for, I have plenty now. Another weekend with the kit and i am just enjoying it more and more-- especially as I learn what I can do with it. It is a completely different car now.
If I wanted insane power and to blow minds, like many have said before me: I wouldn't have this car. I could afford a faster, more powerful car-- I chose the Fit for a lot of other reasons.
But don't get me wrong-- I lov to see what others do and respect and enjoy learning from those who continue to push the limits of what's possible with the Fit. For now, I am going to enjoy this car-- my car. And since I have learned a little about tuning now, rest assured my next ride will take it to the next level.For starters it won't be an AT!
If I wanted insane power and to blow minds, like many have said before me: I wouldn't have this car. I could afford a faster, more powerful car-- I chose the Fit for a lot of other reasons.
But don't get me wrong-- I lov to see what others do and respect and enjoy learning from those who continue to push the limits of what's possible with the Fit. For now, I am going to enjoy this car-- my car. And since I have learned a little about tuning now, rest assured my next ride will take it to the next level.For starters it won't be an AT!
The KW MT kit installed on Chris' car made 142whp with bolt ons and a test pipe. The injector upgrade does nothing to give the car more power it only makes it have more fuel because other parts bolted to the engine are making it breathe better and getting more power.
Just for the record the T1R turbo kit at 4.5psi makes about 145-150whp and I have a friend making 170whp with his at 8.5psi at 3500 feet of altitude...
There is no comparison guys, the turbo kits out there right now make much more power but the power delivery is very different from the SC and Turbo setups.
The KW SC will probably be a great kit in a couple years but no one knows the limits of the block yet and they are being very cautious with their tuning. The power figures are conservative right now and will remain that way until they can find a more effective way of controlling the Fit's ECU through Hondata, THEN we'll see some better power figures.
Just for the record the T1R turbo kit at 4.5psi makes about 145-150whp and I have a friend making 170whp with his at 8.5psi at 3500 feet of altitude...
There is no comparison guys, the turbo kits out there right now make much more power but the power delivery is very different from the SC and Turbo setups.
The KW SC will probably be a great kit in a couple years but no one knows the limits of the block yet and they are being very cautious with their tuning. The power figures are conservative right now and will remain that way until they can find a more effective way of controlling the Fit's ECU through Hondata, THEN we'll see some better power figures.
the tr1 does make more power, thats a given, but c'mon man, quote the a/t numbers, not the manual ones. i know we were discussing the injector differences with relation to the m/t kits, but most people who read your post would take your comparison the way i did: comparing the tr1 m/t numbers to the kwsc a/t #'s.
and just to remind everyone, while the tr1 kit does make good numbers for both tranny's, we have yet to see what a new 5psi kraftwerks kit with bigger injectors (not stock) and bolt on mods will put down # wise. we have chris' old dyno, but with the new insert, i very much doubt that the tr1 will be making THAT much more power when all is said and done, they will be about even.
and yes, the kit does run much coolder than a turbo set up.
and as much as i would absolutely LOVE 135 whp on an a/t fit, (and still am considering the tr1 strongly) the tapping of the oil pan and all the other stuff you gotta do makes it sound tedious. i'm pretty sure that a turbo set up, even one that is as low boost as this one, will in the end be more detrimental on the engine/tranny than the kwsc.
the kwsc as of right now is more of a true bolt on, the tr1 is not and i wish it was, but thats just the nature of the turbo.
it may not be a biggie for m/t guys, but for a/t guys is a big deal. at least for me.
My car is done! Love the difference it made. Need some time behind the wheel to see what it can really do now.
Thanks KraftWerks!
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Edited to add:
Didn't want to hijack the OP's thread with more post whoring so I'll throw in my observations here.
- There was a little problem when you use Innovative engine mounts when installing the KW kit. On my car, the Innovative mounts raised the engine height just a little bit causing some clearance problem between the front tube and the engine hood. Removal of the padding under the hood pretty much fixed that.
- with two other 200+lb(and my 215lb self) passengers in the car accelerating was much more improved on highway on ramps and inclines. I'll even say it was pretty much effortless for my car to get to cruising speed...and staying there. I had to have my stock catalytic converter reinstalled for this until the injector upgrades become available. I feel that the cats are a major choke point in the exhaust but even with it on its still way better than a naturally aspirated Fit. Can't wait to see what a test pipe and injector upgrade will feel like but for right now I'm really happy with the way the car is.
- NOT RELATED TO THE KW KIT but reinstalling the stock cats caused my B-pipe to hang lower - the resonator is getting scraped hard on speed bumps. Gettinafit, when the injector upgrades arrive we're putting the J's Racing B-pipe back on to eliminate ground clearance problems from now on.
- I'm on steel 14" wheels with Dunlop snow tires at the moment. My lightweight summer wheels(16" SSR's) should make this car feel better too. C'mon Spring!
- Just waiting on the Blitz Throttle Controller to arrive at my doorstep. I had to check out what all the hype was about myself.
Thanks KraftWerks!
: hyper::h yper:Edited to add:
Didn't want to hijack the OP's thread with more post whoring so I'll throw in my observations here.
- There was a little problem when you use Innovative engine mounts when installing the KW kit. On my car, the Innovative mounts raised the engine height just a little bit causing some clearance problem between the front tube and the engine hood. Removal of the padding under the hood pretty much fixed that.
- with two other 200+lb(and my 215lb self) passengers in the car accelerating was much more improved on highway on ramps and inclines. I'll even say it was pretty much effortless for my car to get to cruising speed...and staying there. I had to have my stock catalytic converter reinstalled for this until the injector upgrades become available. I feel that the cats are a major choke point in the exhaust but even with it on its still way better than a naturally aspirated Fit. Can't wait to see what a test pipe and injector upgrade will feel like but for right now I'm really happy with the way the car is.
- NOT RELATED TO THE KW KIT but reinstalling the stock cats caused my B-pipe to hang lower - the resonator is getting scraped hard on speed bumps. Gettinafit, when the injector upgrades arrive we're putting the J's Racing B-pipe back on to eliminate ground clearance problems from now on.
- I'm on steel 14" wheels with Dunlop snow tires at the moment. My lightweight summer wheels(16" SSR's) should make this car feel better too. C'mon Spring!
- Just waiting on the Blitz Throttle Controller to arrive at my doorstep. I had to check out what all the hype was about myself.
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I'm happy to see that you are happy with the power. I thought it was pretty impressive myself for what it is on the A/T, makes the Fit feel like a whole another car!! But now lets see what that check engine light is on for.......
Shouldn't be anything we did on install. I gave that car a nice and long road test! Long enough for any normal engine issues to pop up! IMHO I think it is coming from either the spark plug upgrade causing engine Knock, or something with the KWSC kit. (possibly that pulley). We'll see when we pull those codes!
Again, Congrats on Another Fit A/T KWSC Kit Install!
Shouldn't be anything we did on install. I gave that car a nice and long road test! Long enough for any normal engine issues to pop up! IMHO I think it is coming from either the spark plug upgrade causing engine Knock, or something with the KWSC kit. (possibly that pulley). We'll see when we pull those codes!
Again, Congrats on Another Fit A/T KWSC Kit Install!
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For the record I have had no CEL or related issues. Been driving REAL hard the past week and the system is flawless. Stoked.
Wave-- congrats bro and I know you'll be enjoying it for a long time to come.
That was another cool aspect I learned about from a recent conversation with OJR-- this kit was built to last and to be something that can remain trouble-free on the car for many years with no tuning, etc. Over the long term, that might just add up to a total cost savings over the turbo kits that require more attention (but do put out more overall power). This is also our family car so the lower maintenance aspect is really important for me.
Wave-- congrats bro and I know you'll be enjoying it for a long time to come.
That was another cool aspect I learned about from a recent conversation with OJR-- this kit was built to last and to be something that can remain trouble-free on the car for many years with no tuning, etc. Over the long term, that might just add up to a total cost savings over the turbo kits that require more attention (but do put out more overall power). This is also our family car so the lower maintenance aspect is really important for me.
For the record I have had no CEL or related issues.
That was another cool aspect I learned about from a recent conversation with OJR-- this kit was built to last and to be something that can remain trouble-free on the car for many years with no tuning, etc. Over the long term, that might just add up to a total cost savings over the turbo kits that require more attention (but do put out more overall power). This is also our family car so the lower maintenance aspect is really important for me.
That was another cool aspect I learned about from a recent conversation with OJR-- this kit was built to last and to be something that can remain trouble-free on the car for many years with no tuning, etc. Over the long term, that might just add up to a total cost savings over the turbo kits that require more attention (but do put out more overall power). This is also our family car so the lower maintenance aspect is really important for me.
I'm kind of in the same boat as you. This is my daily driver, 60 miles each way, 5 days a week. I didn't want something that was going to hammer the A/T transmission into submission. I acknowledge the fact that turbo kits currently make more power than the rotrex s/c's but blazing fast isn't the mission of my car. The KraftWerks kit does make my A/T fit feel like, "this is the way Honda should have released the car out of the factory". Too bad Honda didn't. Thankfully we have nice forced induction options available to choose from.
I'm 100% satisfied and that's my opinion. Thank You Oscar Jr.!
The CEL should be no problem to diagnose. I'm running into gettinafit's shop tomorrow to have it taken care of.
I'm kind of in the same boat as you. This is my daily driver, 60 miles each way, 5 days a week. I didn't want something that was going to hammer the A/T transmission into submission. I acknowledge the fact that turbo kits currently make more power than the rotrex s/c's but blazing fast isn't the mission of my car. The KraftWerks kit does make my A/T fit feel like, "this is the way Honda should have released the car out of the factory". Too bad Honda didn't. Thankfully we have nice forced induction options available to choose from.
I'm 100% satisfied and that's my opinion. Thank You Oscar Jr.!
I'm kind of in the same boat as you. This is my daily driver, 60 miles each way, 5 days a week. I didn't want something that was going to hammer the A/T transmission into submission. I acknowledge the fact that turbo kits currently make more power than the rotrex s/c's but blazing fast isn't the mission of my car. The KraftWerks kit does make my A/T fit feel like, "this is the way Honda should have released the car out of the factory". Too bad Honda didn't. Thankfully we have nice forced induction options available to choose from.
I'm 100% satisfied and that's my opinion. Thank You Oscar Jr.!
I had my CEL checked and the code was "P0404" which according to gettinafit's computer at his shop was an EGR System Performance code. I had my car CEL reset and it's been A-OK so far.
The car has been running GREAT and I just installed the Blitz throttle controller this morning but we're in the middle of a snowstorm at the moment so my car is grounded in the driveway until the roads clear up. Sucks driving my g-friend's CR-V but my Fit is only 6 inches off the ground!
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I am real curious about the upgrade injectors too. So KW confirmed they'll be offering them?
On another note-- I know there is no "break-in" to speak of with a supercharger, so I guess I am just getting used to it and learning the sweet spots because my car is awesome feeling. I am seeing it's about just horsepower-- torque is a major player too.
I drove my neighbor's bone stock AT the other day and holy sh*t-- I forgot how lame it is. It gave me a profound appreciation for the KW kit, and that quote from that old SIPHON magazine article about driving the KW s/c Fit versus stock was something like "stepping from a cold winters night into a blistering summer day" seemed true like never before.
Dudes-- this kit rocks the AT, period. Especially with the Blitz TC-- you can be in a hard corner, paddle shift down to third and punch it and my god-- the car just pulls! There is absolutely no comparison to NA. The kit is legit. I don't know what I was expecting when I got it, but I am just more and more stoked every time I drive it. The wait/delays were hellacious, but now that it's here... damn it was worth it. I'm telling you you can't just look at these guys' dynos. The way the car is changed from a real-life driving standpoint is truly profound.
On another note-- I know there is no "break-in" to speak of with a supercharger, so I guess I am just getting used to it and learning the sweet spots because my car is awesome feeling. I am seeing it's about just horsepower-- torque is a major player too.
I drove my neighbor's bone stock AT the other day and holy sh*t-- I forgot how lame it is. It gave me a profound appreciation for the KW kit, and that quote from that old SIPHON magazine article about driving the KW s/c Fit versus stock was something like "stepping from a cold winters night into a blistering summer day" seemed true like never before.
Dudes-- this kit rocks the AT, period. Especially with the Blitz TC-- you can be in a hard corner, paddle shift down to third and punch it and my god-- the car just pulls! There is absolutely no comparison to NA. The kit is legit. I don't know what I was expecting when I got it, but I am just more and more stoked every time I drive it. The wait/delays were hellacious, but now that it's here... damn it was worth it. I'm telling you you can't just look at these guys' dynos. The way the car is changed from a real-life driving standpoint is truly profound.
Thee will be an injector upgrade available - just a matter of when.
I gotta agree with you on the Blitz throttle controller.
Most of the guys raving about it on FitFreak are running naturally aspirated engines...wait till you try it with a forced induction engine!
I gotta agree with you on the Blitz throttle controller.
Most of the guys raving about it on FitFreak are running naturally aspirated engines...wait till you try it with a forced induction engine!
is an intercooler offered for it? does anyone have a sc with an intercooler? i realize that the sc runs cooler because of not being in direct connection with the exhaust gases but the colder air would help from an intercooler.
I am real curious about the upgrade injectors too. So KW confirmed they'll be offering them?
On another note-- I know there is no "break-in" to speak of with a supercharger, so I guess I am just getting used to it and learning the sweet spots because my car is awesome feeling. I am seeing it's about just horsepower-- torque is a major player too.
I drove my neighbor's bone stock AT the other day and holy sh*t-- I forgot how lame it is. It gave me a profound appreciation for the KW kit, and that quote from that old SIPHON magazine article about driving the KW s/c Fit versus stock was something like "stepping from a cold winters night into a blistering summer day" seemed true like never before.
Dudes-- this kit rocks the AT, period. Especially with the Blitz TC-- you can be in a hard corner, paddle shift down to third and punch it and my god-- the car just pulls! There is absolutely no comparison to NA. The kit is legit. I don't know what I was expecting when I got it, but I am just more and more stoked every time I drive it. The wait/delays were hellacious, but now that it's here... damn it was worth it. I'm telling you you can't just look at these guys' dynos. The way the car is changed from a real-life driving standpoint is truly profound.
On another note-- I know there is no "break-in" to speak of with a supercharger, so I guess I am just getting used to it and learning the sweet spots because my car is awesome feeling. I am seeing it's about just horsepower-- torque is a major player too.
I drove my neighbor's bone stock AT the other day and holy sh*t-- I forgot how lame it is. It gave me a profound appreciation for the KW kit, and that quote from that old SIPHON magazine article about driving the KW s/c Fit versus stock was something like "stepping from a cold winters night into a blistering summer day" seemed true like never before.
Dudes-- this kit rocks the AT, period. Especially with the Blitz TC-- you can be in a hard corner, paddle shift down to third and punch it and my god-- the car just pulls! There is absolutely no comparison to NA. The kit is legit. I don't know what I was expecting when I got it, but I am just more and more stoked every time I drive it. The wait/delays were hellacious, but now that it's here... damn it was worth it. I'm telling you you can't just look at these guys' dynos. The way the car is changed from a real-life driving standpoint is truly profound.
i love your posts!
jensk how does it feel with a full family in the car? i've gotten friends who have ridden with me and they'll ask questions like "are you really flooring it?"
it be nice to give them some more peace of mind. well, and me.
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Not much noticeable power loss with the family in the car-- I mean it gets up and goes-- but then again, I drive pretty mellow with them in the car! But merging, passing, etc with them, I actually feel safer because if the increased power.
