Look here to see why HID kits are HORRIBLE!
yeah i kinda sniffle when i see how beautiful my mom's bimmer cutoff is. if i had the money i'd do it in a heartbeat. But i dont so u gotta make the best of what u got!!
oh btw i was thinking about this thread the other day and came up with a conclusion. If the car has at least DECENT cutoff (Like the Fits) then it's fine in a busy area. But if you live somewhere secluded it would piss alot of people off. I live in a plug and play okay city
oh btw i was thinking about this thread the other day and came up with a conclusion. If the car has at least DECENT cutoff (Like the Fits) then it's fine in a busy area. But if you live somewhere secluded it would piss alot of people off. I live in a plug and play okay city
U have HIDs? Its true it is not a cutoff, but the HID isnt BAD for a halogen housing compared to many other cars, and yes compared to a projector ANY non projector HID beam will look like crap.
Can you see better with the HIDs? yes... As long as your lights arent aimed to the sky you will not blind anyone as the glare isnt THAT bad. You should see the glare in my JDM headlights. It lights up the trees... but I still have never been flashed. Now what erks me about pnp kits is when people put in 8k or higher temp bulbs. Shit glares MORE and on top of it you get crappy lighting.
Can you see better with the HIDs? yes... As long as your lights arent aimed to the sky you will not blind anyone as the glare isnt THAT bad. You should see the glare in my JDM headlights. It lights up the trees... but I still have never been flashed. Now what erks me about pnp kits is when people put in 8k or higher temp bulbs. Shit glares MORE and on top of it you get crappy lighting.
No, you should do things the right way, not make the best with what you've got. By doing it the right way you not only get the sharper cut off, but you get better illumination of the road. OEM housings will scatter the light too much.
ya but i think what hes trying to say if he had the money he would do a retrofit but since he has hids already than hes got to work with what hes got. which is better than stock nomatter how you look at it, but yes retrofitting is the best way, but some of us cant afford the absolute best at the time so we have to wait like regular people
LOLZ... Yellow headlights are more annoying than HIDs.
hey solbrothers just be cautious around cops! I didnt know yellow bulbs were illegal but actually Junior40er got a ticket for having them a while back! i dont think they are for the fogs, im just referring to low-beams
I wanted HIDs for the Fit for a long time but could not afford a retro fit. So instead of just making dew with what I had and buying some PnP HID's I stuck with the stock set up. After I came into some money I then went for the Retro fit.
trust me... the most expensive thing i have BY FAR on my car are my wheels.. even they were only 330 with stockie tires. A clean retrofit would prolly be equivalent or a little more.
dang you're FI'd too? haha yeah i cant touch that stuff, im litterally buying stuff with allowance money.. but its all changing this week
dang you're FI'd too? haha yeah i cant touch that stuff, im litterally buying stuff with allowance money.. but its all changing this week
okay guys, with this thread in mind i thought of something last night while riding in the car with my cousin and looking at oncoming traffic. Theoretically yes, projectors emit wayy less glare and have good light distribution but that DOESNT mean that it doesnt blind people. You see, projectors do a great job at concentrating alot of light and getting it all concentrated into a certain area. If you're driving the opposite way, when these cars drive by you get short bursts of super concentrated light blinding you. This was with all the projector xenons i saw last night, a Lexus RX330, an Audi A4, and BMWs as well!
The reason why it was only for a short second is because they are probably all running "auto-leveling" hids, which means the shield (or maybe something else) constantly adjusts to reduce the glare people will get when your car bounces around. I dont know how lexus, audis etc work but on my mom's BMW there is a sensor piece that attaches to the suspension. This sensor will adjust the headlight level to extra load (weight or acceleration), bounces or even elevation to ensure other people arent blinded. But if you arent running this sensor piece, that means the lights arent adjusting themselves. So that means when other people are getting blinded by your incredibly concentrated bright lights, its for a longer period AND it's excruciating!
Taking their HIDs and retrofitting them will reduce glare greatly during standstill, but unless roads are like glass around your area, it's still gonna blind others and badly too, unless you want your beam to stop 5 feet in front of the car that is.
sorry if there are any mistakes, i can only think and type so well.. lol but anyways i hope this makes sense.
edit* im not hating on projectors btw, i LOVE them and how they put out light REALLY cleanly and well. Just want to point out that having them doesnt mean you're not blinding others anymore. (especially if you run those new 55w extra bright ballasts)
The reason why it was only for a short second is because they are probably all running "auto-leveling" hids, which means the shield (or maybe something else) constantly adjusts to reduce the glare people will get when your car bounces around. I dont know how lexus, audis etc work but on my mom's BMW there is a sensor piece that attaches to the suspension. This sensor will adjust the headlight level to extra load (weight or acceleration), bounces or even elevation to ensure other people arent blinded. But if you arent running this sensor piece, that means the lights arent adjusting themselves. So that means when other people are getting blinded by your incredibly concentrated bright lights, its for a longer period AND it's excruciating!
Taking their HIDs and retrofitting them will reduce glare greatly during standstill, but unless roads are like glass around your area, it's still gonna blind others and badly too, unless you want your beam to stop 5 feet in front of the car that is.
sorry if there are any mistakes, i can only think and type so well.. lol but anyways i hope this makes sense.
edit* im not hating on projectors btw, i LOVE them and how they put out light REALLY cleanly and well. Just want to point out that having them doesnt mean you're not blinding others anymore. (especially if you run those new 55w extra bright ballasts)
Last edited by accordguyintake; Sep 18, 2009 at 03:22 PM.
okay guys, with this thread in mind i thought of something last night while riding in the car with my cousin and looking at oncoming traffic. Theoretically yes, projectors emit wayy less glare and have good light distribution but that DOESNT mean that it doesnt blind people. You see, projectors do a great job at concentrating alot of light and getting it all concentrated into a certain area. If you're driving the opposite way, when these cars drive by you get short bursts of super concentrated light blinding you. This was with all the projector xenons i saw last night, a Lexus RX330, an Audi A4, and BMWs as well!
The reason why it was only for a short second is because they are probably all running "auto-leveling" hids, which means the shield (or maybe something else) constantly adjusts to reduce the glare people will get when your car bounces around. I dont know how lexus, audis etc work but on my mom's BMW there is a sensor piece that attaches to the suspension. This sensor will adjust the headlight level to extra load (weight or acceleration), bounces or even elevation to ensure other people arent blinded. But if you arent running this sensor piece, that means the lights arent adjusting themselves. So that means when other people are getting blinded by your incredibly concentrated bright lights, its for a longer period AND it's excruciating!
Taking their HIDs and retrofitting them will reduce glare greatly during standstill, but unless roads are like glass around your area, it's still gonna blind others and badly too, unless you want your beam to stop 5 feet in front of the car that is.
sorry if there are any mistakes, i can only think and type so well.. lol but anyways i hope this makes sense.
edit* im not hating on projectors btw, i LOVE them and how they put out light REALLY cleanly and well. Just want to point out that having them doesnt mean you're not blinding others anymore. (especially if you run those new 55w extra bright ballasts)
The reason why it was only for a short second is because they are probably all running "auto-leveling" hids, which means the shield (or maybe something else) constantly adjusts to reduce the glare people will get when your car bounces around. I dont know how lexus, audis etc work but on my mom's BMW there is a sensor piece that attaches to the suspension. This sensor will adjust the headlight level to extra load (weight or acceleration), bounces or even elevation to ensure other people arent blinded. But if you arent running this sensor piece, that means the lights arent adjusting themselves. So that means when other people are getting blinded by your incredibly concentrated bright lights, its for a longer period AND it's excruciating!
Taking their HIDs and retrofitting them will reduce glare greatly during standstill, but unless roads are like glass around your area, it's still gonna blind others and badly too, unless you want your beam to stop 5 feet in front of the car that is.
sorry if there are any mistakes, i can only think and type so well.. lol but anyways i hope this makes sense.
edit* im not hating on projectors btw, i LOVE them and how they put out light REALLY cleanly and well. Just want to point out that having them doesnt mean you're not blinding others anymore. (especially if you run those new 55w extra bright ballasts)
Most oem HID setups are not running any sort of autoleveling mechanism. Its just a projector mounted to the headlight housing, aimed like a normal headlight.
Any bright light will blind people. Projectors will blind people LESS due to the shield. My lights are adjusted to aim so far that I can't see my cutoff on the road but never goes above the persons license plate in front of me or hood on the opposite side of the road. Obviously if your on an incline or slope it will aim the light differently and blind people. This will happen with halogens, plug and play hids, projectors, any kind of light. Not sure why your even bringing this up. Assuming all things are equal a plug and play kit will blind people in all instances and not send any of its light towards the ground.
it may not look like you're blinding people, hell i never think i am in my mom's car. But yesterday when i was riding and closely checking out the stock hids driving by, all of them still blind drivers even if it was for only a fraction of a second. im sure audi and lexus have the auto levels too, i mean if the RX330 has "turning headlamps" than it should definitely have auto level.. unless BMW was just ahead of the pack?
edit* i know it blinds wayyy less, but i just want people to know that its not gonna prevent blinding and that auto-level is sexxx
edit* i know it blinds wayyy less, but i just want people to know that its not gonna prevent blinding and that auto-level is sexxx
Um yes I blind people when I hit a dip or a bump or when the road is on a slant, any light will do that. But a plug and play kit will blind someone 100% of the time and actually perform worse than OEM lighting since most ricers get 8000k kits.
I dont know how it got twisted into projectors being blind free. Yes there will be situations where they will blind another driver, like hitting a bump or dip in the road. Like you said the Projector controls where the light goes well if you take that away then your going to have a blinding light staring at you. When im driving im usuail not stairing at the light of oncoming traffic. Now the cars with projectors are less likely to get my attention and irritate my eyes compared to the PnP kits.
yeah sorry if my posts make no sense.. haha, i guess i was tinking about this stuff alot last night and just wanted to add some input to the thread about projectors
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thats the other thing i forgot to mention, a car with reflector type HIDs and a 93' civic with a PNP kit passed by at the same instance as the others... honestly they didnt have that same "blinding" kind of trait that the projection type hids have. which is once again, because the light is so strong on projection beam headlights.
so to review my thoughts, PNP kits indeed create more general glare, BUT under certain applications, they give quite decent aim. the blinding "flashglare" given off from projector style lights are pretty bad especially with hids installed... i already noticed this trait even in the halogen-based camry stock projectors.
just saying guys.. projector lights are a great improvement, but it doesnt mean you should hate on all pnps, if my beams shot straight up the ceiling and lit the road worse than holding a flashlight to the road... that is one thing, but there is nothing wrong with a cutoff even sharper than stock, minimal glare problems, and a nice increase in road lighting. our headlights look glary to begin with because of its large size.. cars like the 98'-2002 accords with smaller sized headlights look just fine with the added brightness. Don't get the impression all pnp's are horrible... there are many out there, but i strongly believe the fit headlights are just fine with them
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thats the other thing i forgot to mention, a car with reflector type HIDs and a 93' civic with a PNP kit passed by at the same instance as the others... honestly they didnt have that same "blinding" kind of trait that the projection type hids have. which is once again, because the light is so strong on projection beam headlights.
so to review my thoughts, PNP kits indeed create more general glare, BUT under certain applications, they give quite decent aim. the blinding "flashglare" given off from projector style lights are pretty bad especially with hids installed... i already noticed this trait even in the halogen-based camry stock projectors.
just saying guys.. projector lights are a great improvement, but it doesnt mean you should hate on all pnps, if my beams shot straight up the ceiling and lit the road worse than holding a flashlight to the road... that is one thing, but there is nothing wrong with a cutoff even sharper than stock, minimal glare problems, and a nice increase in road lighting. our headlights look glary to begin with because of its large size.. cars like the 98'-2002 accords with smaller sized headlights look just fine with the added brightness. Don't get the impression all pnp's are horrible... there are many out there, but i strongly believe the fit headlights are just fine with them
Last edited by accordguyintake; Sep 18, 2009 at 08:19 PM.