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Old 09-08-2008, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Fitlurker
Can anyone confirm the 53 offset on the stock is true?

Yes, thats what the wheel says. And the backspace confirms (5.16"). Remember, if you want to confirm the backspace is the horizontal distance between the hub face and the inside edge of the inner flange, not the outside edge of the flange.
 

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Old 09-08-2008, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JDM_DOHC_SiR
You`ll be fine one the car is lowered a bit... camber will come into play then.. 1~2 deg is what will be required.. for the front.... now as for the rear you should have plent of room.... as for the tires most of the guys run over here anywhere from a 185/35/17 to a 205/40/17...... and the wheel track is the same he in Japan as it is on the USDM specs..

if you have take a few pic`s.... I might be able to help out some more after I see what your working with..
Sorry, but I'm too old to have a camera wth me.
In this case thanks for the tire info: A 185/35x17 tire has a diameter of only 22", 2" less than stock so yes that would fit fine at a cost of nearly 10% error in speedo and odo. Gains of course in 'axle ratio' by actual 9.1%, well worth it for the performance troops.

However, on the Sport I measured, the front tire edges line up vertically just at the fender curl. On tires like 205s the edge would be 10 mm out or 0.4" which is even with the outside body of the fender. Using a 17x7.5" /45 offset wheel 'pushes the tire another 1.15" outside the fender. Even though its only 23.45" diameter the tire will likely rub even if the wheel is adjusted to 2 degrees negative camber. Adjusting to 2 deg neg camber also means modifying the shock mount which makes a lot of people nervous.
We routinely make radical camber changes and fender flares/rolls for race cars but not for the street. And nobody wants 185 tires except for winter.
For street car owners, they seem to forget the warning they are given about severe tire wear or fender damage trashing their resale values and come back to whine so we don't modify the alignment or bodywork without a written disclaimer. We still get whining.
Its not that it can't be made to work, its that too few owners want that expense. Most just want to replace the stock wheel/tire with a wider, better looking, better performing set.
The best solution is a 50 mm offset 16 or 17 x 7 wheel to carry 205/40 or 45 tires.
 

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Old 09-08-2008, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mahout
Yes, thats what the wheel says. And the backspace confirms (5.16"). Remember, if you want to confirm the backspace is the horizontal distance between the hub face and the inside edge of the inner rim.
Thanks Mahout!

So if i plan on getting a wider tire, even with a 53 offset, will still stick out no matter what. Hmmm.
 
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Old 09-08-2008, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mahout
Sorry, but I'm too old to have a camera wth me.
In this case thanks for the tire info: A 185/35x17 tire has a diameter of only 22", 2" less than stock so yes that would fit fine at a cost of nearly 10% error in speedo and odo. Gains of course in 'axle ratio' by actual 9.1%, well worth it for the performance troops.

However, on the Sport I measured, the front tire edges line up vertically just at the fender curl. On tires like 205s the edge would be 10 mm out or 0.4" which is even with the outside body of the fender. Using a 17x7.5" /45 offset wheel 'pushes the tire another 1.15" outside the fender. Even though its only 23.45" diameter the tire will likely rub even if the wheel is adjusted to 2 degrees negative camber. Adjusting to 2 deg neg camber also means modifying the shock mount which makes a lot of people nervous.
We routinely make radical camber changes and fender flares/rolls for race cars but not for the street. And nobody wants 185 tires except for winter.
For street car owners, they seem to forget the warning they are given about severe tire wear or fender damage trashing their resale values and come back to whine so we don't modify the alignment or bodywork without a written disclaimer. We still get whining.
Its not that it can't be made to work, its that too few owners want that expense. Most just want to replace the stock wheel/tire with a wider, better looking, better performing set.
The best solution is a 50 mm offset 16 or 17 x 7 wheel to carry 205/40 or 45 tires.
Thanks again Mahout!

I will be on the look out for 16X7 rims with at least 50 offset for my 205/50x16 tires.
 
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:20 AM
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BLAH!!! and I have a set of 16" Konig Heliums I thought could be used on the 09 Fit... *bummer*
 
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Is the bolt pattern 4x100? I may have found a wheel that may work on the '09 Fit.
 
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Fitlurker
Is the bolt pattern 4x100? I may have found a wheel that may work on the '09 Fit.
Yes it is. Share.
 
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Fitlurker
Thanks Mahout!

So if i plan on getting a wider tire, even with a 53 offset, will still stick out no matter what. Hmmm.

A 205/50x16 probably would rub cause its so tall. A 205/45 x16 might just make it unlowered but it'll be too close to recommend without trying. It does have a good chance as its 3/4" smaller diameter. It won't stick out more than the bodywork as only the tire is wider and there's no 'push' from wider wheel or offset. The camber change on compression may just clear the fender arch. If I had an 09 I'd look real serious at that. The smaller diameter would make performance better though without serious effect on odo or speedo readings. The more I look at that the better I like it.
Good idea. Thanks.
 
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:35 AM
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I was looking at the Kasei Racer 17x7 4x100 Offset +48. Was hoping 195/45 R17 would fit.
I suppose 4x114.3 bolt pattern will not fit on the Fit. Otherwise there are quite a few 16x7 with +45 Offsets. Still not sure that is high enough.

Going over the Owner's Manual and the 15" stock wheels are 15x5.5 and the 16" wheels are 16x6. FYI.
 
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Other Possible Wheel Choices?

Hi - brand new to the Forum - had to join to enter into the chat about wheels!

My 320hp B5 Audi S4 is sold now and my Taffeta White Sport Navi is due here in about 3-4 weeks. I thought I had the wheels all set only to find the info here regarding the problems with wheel fitting on the 2009's.

Anyway, after having read the thread, I located some wheels that seem like they'd fit. Mainly tossing this out to Mahout to see what you think of these two:

1) Work Emotion XT7 - 16x7 with 50mm offset
2) SSR Type C or Type F - 16x6.5 with 45mm offset

Based on my calculations, the Work Emotion wheel would add 10mm backspacing and 16mm outward, which seems like it might be on the limit but work. The SSR wheels, with a 6.5" width vs 7", would come in with 2mm less backspacing and 14mm outward.

Seems like these should work - thoughts?
 
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Thumbs up OK some actual pic's with offsets and sizes

18x7.5 45mm offset 215/35/18 tire ( looks to fit just fine front and rear )




17x8 50mm offset front / 17x8 45mm offset rear with a 205/40/17 tire ( looks to fit fine under the front and rear )


17x7 45mm offset front and rear 205/40/17 ( car is not lowered looks to be close up front )

 
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:19 AM
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i was planning on puttin 205/40/16 on the car once i get it. are you guys saying that it wont fit or that it will have rubbing issues? as far as the offset goes im a little new to that so im not really sure what that means. can someone tell me what the stock rim width is on these cars?
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AWDturbo
Hi - brand new to the Forum - had to join to enter into the chat about wheels!

My 320hp B5 Audi S4 is sold now and my Taffeta White Sport Navi is due here in about 3-4 weeks. I thought I had the wheels all set only to find the info here regarding the problems with wheel fitting on the 2009's.

Anyway, after having read the thread, I located some wheels that seem like they'd fit. Mainly tossing this out to Mahout to see what you think of these two:

1) Work Emotion XT7 - 16x7 with 50mm offset
2) SSR Type C or Type F - 16x6.5 with 45mm offset

Based on my calculations, the Work Emotion wheel would add 10mm backspacing and 16mm outward, which seems like it might be on the limit but work. The SSR wheels, with a 6.5" width vs 7", would come in with 2mm less backspacing and 14mm outward.

Seems like these should work - thoughts?

Yes, I really like the 16x7/50's; who has them?
The 16x7/50 with 205/45 tires will push out a little less than an inch from stock and with 205/45x16 tires being about 3/4" smaller in diameter there should be good clearance. Thats what my gage says, anyway. With fronts compressed the tire edge clearly tucks inside the fender lip even when the wheel is turned. The backspace also is increased by almost half an inch so I don't foresee any bearing problems (bet we can't use snow chains though). And much better gearing compared to stock, too. I have a sneaking suspicion the mpg will improve too. The rears are not a problem.


The 16x6.5/45 looks about the same with the wheel pushing outward by a tad less than the 16x7's (0.1"). Their advantage is lighter weight (my book shows 11.5 to 12lb vs 17lb stock) and the back space is almost identical to stock 16x6's. SSR's are available from Tirerack for beaucoup money.
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:30 AM
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i was planning on puttin 205/40/16 on the car once i get it. are you guys saying that it wont fit or that it will have rubbing issues? as far as the offset goes im a little new to that so im not really sure what that means. can someone tell me what the stock rim width is on these cars?

No sir. 205/40x16 tires would be about 22.45" in diameter; thats 1.5" less than stock tires on an 09 with about a 7% error in odo and speedo. Those should fit even on 45 mm offset 16x7 wheels with no problem.
Gearing will of course be much better performance. An AT wouldn't likely downshift as much either. Now about that fenderwell 'gap' the pushout should minimize how that looks bu it'll be there.
 
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Originally Posted by JDM_DOHC_SiR
17x8 50mm offset front / 17x8 45mm offset rear with a 205/40/17 tire ( looks to fit fine under the front and rear )
Thanks! I guarantee there will be no fitment issues, and expect to see some nice flush setups. Hell i ran 17x8 +33 with a 245 on my wrx with nothing but rolled fenders and max stock camber, just perfect stance with a slight bit of poke. You guys crying about stuff not fitting need to man up!
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JDM_DOHC_SiR
18x7.5 45mm offset 215/35/18 tire ( looks to fit just fine front and rear )




17x8 50mm offset front / 17x8 45mm offset rear with a 205/40/17 tire ( looks to fit fine under the front and rear )


17x7 45mm offset front and rear 205/40/17 ( car is not lowered looks to be close up front )


The black and purple (?) cars look probable but how do they drive? Any rubbing on compression straight ahead? The white car makes me nervous to look at but possibly the photo field angle. And it doesn't look like 18" but then my eyes are old. The purple car (bottiom photo) is almost exactly what we tried except thje wheel was 42 mm offset and it did rub in front on compression. It was unclear if another 3 mm offset would work. Nice to see those, though.
 

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thanks for the help im just not quite sure what you meant by >"Gearing will of course be much better performance. An AT wouldn't likely downshift as much either. Now about that fenderwell 'gap' the pushout should minimize how that looks bu it'll be there."< also as far bolt patterns go which would be the correct one?
 
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Originally Posted by mahout
The black and purple (?) cars look probable but how do they drive? Any rubbing on compression straight ahead? The white car makes me nervous to look at but possibly the photo field angle. And it doesn't look like 18" but then my eyes are old. The purple car (bottiom photo) is almost exactly what we tried except thje wheel was 42 mm offset and it did rub in front on compression. It was unclear if another 3 mm offset would work. Nice to see those, though.
If the white car make you nervous to look at, then you really don't need to be concerned with modifying cars. Its all about taking it to the next level.

I think it'll be safer for you if you stay under your rock.
 

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mahout, it seems as though you are a bit too concerned with your car being at factory specs to modify it. just stick to your factory set up, its the only way you will be happy.

to everyone else who is willing to look outside the facory specs, im sure there wont be any fitment issues. Honda's have always been built with enough room to play with on offset and width. hell JDM_DOHC_SIR's post proves it
 
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thanks for the help im just not quite sure what you meant by >"Gearing will of course be much better performance. An AT wouldn't likely downshift as much either. Now about that fenderwell 'gap' the pushout should minimize how that looks bu it'll be there."< also as far bolt patterns go which would be the correct one?
4x100 on the bolt pattern.
 


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