Question about Rear Center Seat Belt
#21
Here's mine: an EX-L
I knew about this beforehand; when I went to pick up my car (yesterday), I pointed it out to the salesmen. He seemed a little befuddled, and said he'd discuss it with his manager. He told me that three people had looked at it, and passed it off as 'the way it was designed'. I basically laughed in his face (nicely) and told him flat out that it would be a recall and that I would be in touch. As it's not an immediate concern, I'm not worried about it, but I'll be watching the forum to see what happens. I think my salesman was sincerely concerned about it. You can see from the picture that the "center" buckle is obviously NOT in the center.
#22
This isn't a design flaw but a manufacturing flaw. There doesn't need to be anything done for assessing, redesigning, engineering, only build the assembly correctly. The buckle heads were reversed by the part supplier during the manufacturing process. I'm in manufacturing And I see what was done. Honda did there best to make sure this didn't happen including imprinting the word CENTER on the center buckle. The supplier still didn't make the assembly correct. Someone at Honda needs to call the supplier and tell them.
My bigger concern is this is such an obvious defect, how did Honda's QA miss it let alone deliver a car with this problem. It would have been better for Honda to admit the mistake rather than deny it. When I called Honda corp they were not very helpful. If they would have said we are making replacement parts right now and in xx weeks it will be fixed. I would have respected it more than Honda trying to make an incorrect part "fit". This leaves me with this nagging question "what else are they hiding?'
My bigger concern is this is such an obvious defect, how did Honda's QA miss it let alone deliver a car with this problem. It would have been better for Honda to admit the mistake rather than deny it. When I called Honda corp they were not very helpful. If they would have said we are making replacement parts right now and in xx weeks it will be fixed. I would have respected it more than Honda trying to make an incorrect part "fit". This leaves me with this nagging question "what else are they hiding?'
#24
Ok, I took my bracket loose and turned it around. While it makes the center buckle fine the outer will work without crossing but it is sewn on 180 degrees out but having said that you just twist it a half turn and it lines up. It needs to be corrected but it is better than having both backwards
#25
I'll go out on a limb and say the buckles were designed this way and installed correctly. The reason is to move the buckle mounting point wider for each seat, increasing passenger comfort.
I think the buckles are crossed incorrectly in the photo in post #17. The center buckle should cross in front of the side buckle, not behind. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/3rd-...ml#post1245484
The Pontiac Vibe has a similar rear seat buckle layout.
Vibe Rear Seat Belts - GM Techlink
Pontiac Workshop Manuals > Vibe FWD L4-2.4L (2009) > Restraint Systems > Seat Belt Systems > Seat Belt Buckle > Component Information > Technical Service Bulletins > All Other Service Bulletins for Seat Belt Buckle: > 08-09-40-002A > May > 09 > Restr
When Honda anounces there is a problem and they have the fix, I will edit this post to remove the evidence of my stupidity. :-)
I think the buckles are crossed incorrectly in the photo in post #17. The center buckle should cross in front of the side buckle, not behind. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/3rd-...ml#post1245484
The Pontiac Vibe has a similar rear seat buckle layout.
Vibe Rear Seat Belts - GM Techlink
Pontiac Workshop Manuals > Vibe FWD L4-2.4L (2009) > Restraint Systems > Seat Belt Systems > Seat Belt Buckle > Component Information > Technical Service Bulletins > All Other Service Bulletins for Seat Belt Buckle: > 08-09-40-002A > May > 09 > Restr
When Honda anounces there is a problem and they have the fix, I will edit this post to remove the evidence of my stupidity. :-)
#26
The Pontiac Vibe has a similar rear seat buckle layout.
Vibe Rear Seat Belts - GM Techlink
Pontiac Workshop Manuals > Vibe FWD L4-2.4L (2009) > Restraint Systems > Seat Belt Systems > Seat Belt Buckle > Component Information > Technical Service Bulletins > All Other Service Bulletins for Seat Belt Buckle: > 08-09-40-002A > May > 09 > Restr
When Honda anounces there is a problem and they have the fix, I will edit this post to remove the evidence of my stupidity. :-)
#27
I was wondering about this. Rode in the back seat of a Nissan Murano recently and I swear the buckles in the back were reversed like this also.. Had to grab it from closer to the person behind driver when I was in the center. Could be mistaken though. But I'm 80% sure
#28
I just looked at mine and they are reverse. They are sewn in this way, if you twist them it seems pretty awkward. Though if they are supposed to be this way then i guess i'll live with it! :P
Though to be fair, back seat seat buckles have always been a mess... I remember fighting over the right buckles when i was a kid because they were always shuffled in wrong.
Though to be fair, back seat seat buckles have always been a mess... I remember fighting over the right buckles when i was a kid because they were always shuffled in wrong.
#29
I'm not sure whether it's a flaw or not. I was thinking that my GE Fit was done the same way (where the belts had to be criss-crossed), but I just went out and looked at it, and I'm wrong. With the GE Fit, the middle belt comes down from the driver side, and is basically a mirror image of how the GK is (middle belt comes down from the passenger side). Where the center buckle belts into (the one marked center), it is on the INSIDE of the passenger side's buckle, so they don't get criss-crossed. However, where the center belt comes down from the ceiling, it's attachment does get criss-crossed with the driver's side rear passenger, so you'd think both center belt attachments would be the inside buckles, but they aren't. Here's a pic of a GE to demonstrate. Far left is passenger's buckle, then next left is marked center, then the driver's side buckle, then the buckle for the center passenger's belt coming down from the ceiling.
EDIT: Looks like the GD is set up the same way as the GE, which means that for some reason it got changed for the GK. Maybe it is a screw up. Here's a GD back seat:
EDIT: Looks like the GD is set up the same way as the GE, which means that for some reason it got changed for the GK. Maybe it is a screw up. Here's a GD back seat:
Last edited by SheepNutz; 06-25-2014 at 04:54 PM.
#30
reply to post # 25 I'm sorry but I don't agree with the logic. When I brought my FIT to the dealer. The head service manager printed out the TSB and showed me. I should have asked for a copy my bad. Honda Corp instructed my dealer to rotate the bracket 180 degrees. The service department actually did rotate the bracket 180 degrees And gave it back to me. I took noe look at the fix and said this is not right. Nothing lines up correctly belt going in opposite direction (belt now going to rear bumper ) . I made them put it back to the original orientation. The service manage never once tried to say that the buckles were correct. They said this is the only solution approved by honda you'll probably have to wait until it gets resolved. I wonder what the real design is. Guss Ill have to just wait until Honda make a statement about this.
Last edited by dschiri1; 06-25-2014 at 05:51 PM.
#31
I only found it because the day after I bought the Fit we needed to take our Accord in for a TPMS fix and the dealer had it for hours. Got my wife and I and our three 5 and 6 year olds into the Fit.
#32
reply to post # 25 I'm sorry but I don't agree with the logic. When I brought my FIT to the dealer. The head service manager printed out the TSB and showed me. I should have asked for a copy my bad. Honda Corp instructed my dealer to rotate the bracket 180 degrees. The service department actually did rotate the bracket 180 degrees And gave it back to me. I took noe look at the fix and said this is not right. Nothing lines up correctly belt going in opposite direction (belt now going to rear bumper ) . I made them put it back to the original orientation. The service manage never once tried to say that the buckles were correct. They said this is the only solution approved by honda you'll probably have to wait until it gets resolved. I wonder what the real design is. Guss Ill have to just wait until Honda make a statement about this.
#33
Honda Fit rear center seatbelt
To some people, the center lap belts on our five-passenger Fit vehicles appear to be installed incorrectly; they’re not. Mounting the outer seat belt buckles inboard of the center belt and buckle gives the outer passengers more room to connect and disconnect their seat belts. This configuration is actually not something new and, we believe, provides passengers with greater convenience.
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Automobile Customer Service
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
1-800-999-1009
Twitter @hondacustsvc
#34
Thank you Honda Customer Service for setting the record straight on this issue and for monitoring this forum. I am sure there is much that can be gained from seeing your customer's reactions to your product here.
#37
HERE IS WHAT HONDA CORPORATE SENT OUT A WEEK AGO OR SO
Rear Seat Belt Buckles:To some people, customers and dealer personnel alike, the center seat belt buckles on our five-passenger vehicles appear to be installed incorrectly; they’re not. Mounting the outer seat belt buckles inboard of the center buckle gives the outer passengers more room to connect and disconnect the seat belts. Don’t unbolt the lower anchor plates to uncross the belts; such a change in the belt’s configuration may not offer the same level of protection
Rear Seat Belt Buckles:To some people, customers and dealer personnel alike, the center seat belt buckles on our five-passenger vehicles appear to be installed incorrectly; they’re not. Mounting the outer seat belt buckles inboard of the center buckle gives the outer passengers more room to connect and disconnect the seat belts. Don’t unbolt the lower anchor plates to uncross the belts; such a change in the belt’s configuration may not offer the same level of protection
#38
Now in 2018, I bought a brand new 2019 model and it keep to have the same layout. Just to everyone know that it is by design (btw weird design)
Now what is the real problem (really bad problem) is that the user manual doesn't say anything about and ALL dealers don't know anything about it. A simple note in the manual could avoid it.
HONDA really bad doc/dealer info
:-(
Now what is the real problem (really bad problem) is that the user manual doesn't say anything about and ALL dealers don't know anything about it. A simple note in the manual could avoid it.
HONDA really bad doc/dealer info
:-(
Last edited by Carlos Silva; 08-18-2018 at 04:34 PM.
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