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Old Nov 8, 2010 | 03:01 PM
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Well I cut no bumpstops and had a little over 600 pounds In passenger and equipment drove 500 miles and some and had zero issues. Tire size 205/45 16
 
Old Nov 8, 2010 | 04:47 PM
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i don't think that's right. google images search for coilovers and you'll see they all have the tighter coils at the bottom. i even owned a complete mugen suspension on my last car -- with progressive springs -- with the tighter coils on the bottom. here's a pic of the rears, they came assembled from mugen

[UPDATE FOR FUTURE READERS, CONTINUE READING FOR THE CORRECT INFORMATION FROM SWIFT]



if you're not feeling any adverse effects then i don't see why you'd need to change it. when i install mine on thursday i'm doing mine like ^ that though
 

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Old Nov 8, 2010 | 06:38 PM
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I'm going to contact Swift, but for now...

I'm basing my install on a DIY example, with photos included. That, and what I know of vehicle dynamics from when I was a powertrain engineer at Ford. I'm sticking with my theory for now...

https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-...07-08-gd3.html

LEONARD FROM SWIFT CORRECTED ME ON THIS 11/10 - FRONT AND REAR SPRINGS SHOULD BE INSTALLED SO THAT YOU CAN READ THE SWIFT LABEL WITHOUT HAVING TO STAND ON YOUR HANDS!
 

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Old Nov 8, 2010 | 06:44 PM
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There are a handful of people on here with these installed. Hopefully they will chime in. Personally, I don't know which way they are supposed to go.
 
Old Nov 8, 2010 | 07:16 PM
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Question Best Price?

Did anyone happen to find the best price here on Fit Freak for these springs? The best I found on the internet $254 plus shipping. Any local vendors that can beat this?
 
Old Nov 8, 2010 | 08:47 PM
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Rear Springs - I hope this helps...

I sent an email to Swift to get the final call on this, and I'll post that when it arrives.

In the mean time, besides following the 2 spring swap DIY's I mentioned, I felt that this made it pretty clear to me which end was which on the Swift spring (Swift part #4H021). Once it was clear where the end caps fit (due to their different shapes), I figured the label on the Swift rear spring was upside down . There's no way that big round insulator at the top of the stock spring is going to squeeze into that "D" on the on end of the Swift, and still seat over the dome it aligns with on the frame.

I knew I wasn't losing my mind... but if the engineers at Swift correct me, then I must be going crazy!

LEONARD FROM SWIFT CORRECTED ME ON THIS 11/10 - FRONT AND REAR SPRINGS SHOULD BE INSTALLED SO THAT YOU CAN READ THE SWIFT LABEL WITHOUT HAVING TO STAND ON YOUR HANDS!

I just flipped the rear springs after I got home from work today. I'm a dumb ass. I don't know what I was smokin' last Saturday, but the only parts that matter are the top and bottom rubber caps - the rear spring could be mounted either way since the end coils ARE identical, as Leonard from Swift verified. They look a whole lot cooler now that I can read the labels from the back! The test ride was the same - excellent!

 

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Old Nov 8, 2010 | 11:23 PM
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sick diagram work haha. let us know what swift comes back with!
 
Old Nov 9, 2010 | 02:09 AM
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I have these on my red fit with 16x8 20 offset rims no issues, i really love these springs and it rides comfortably with no rubbing for everyday driving.
 
Old Nov 9, 2010 | 08:40 AM
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Another reference to the rear spring orientation

About half way down there's a good clean shot of an Tein progressive rate rear spring installed. Tighter windings up...

https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...f-history.html

LEONARD FROM SWIFT CORRECTED ME ON THIS 11/10 - FRONT AND REAR SPRINGS SHOULD BE INSTALLED SO THAT YOU CAN READ THE SWIFT LABEL - WHICH MEANS TIGHTER WINDINGS DOWN FOR THE REAR!
 

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Old Nov 9, 2010 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim2bFit
I sent an email to Swift to get the final call on this, and I'll post that when it arrives.

In the mean time, besides following the 2 spring swap DIY's I mentioned, I felt that this made it pretty clear to me which end was which on the Swift spring (Swift part #4H021). Once it was clear where the end caps fit (due to their different shapes), I figured the label on the Swift rear spring was upside down . There's no way that big round insulator at the top of the stock spring is going to squeeze into that "D" on the on end of the Swift, and still seat over the dome it aligns with on the frame.
Nice! After looking over your pics and everything, I have to agree, it appears as if the spring is designed to go in the way you did it. To hear from the source will be nice. Someone emailed them in the past to get spring rates, and they were able to supply that.
 
Old Nov 9, 2010 | 01:23 PM
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My rear springs are the same on both ends and I think that it was the same way on the GE that I helped install Swift springs on. I recently put some 16X7" 37 offset wheels with 195-45 tire on my GD.. I was surprised that they didn't rub, they look great but the weight increase over the 15"X7" Enkei RPF1s put a hurt lock on acceleration and the heavier wheels are substantially lighter than the stock alloys.... I must admit that everyone really likes the looks of the new wheels and the highly revered "flush" fit.
 
Old Nov 9, 2010 | 04:34 PM
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so i have some news. evasivemotorsports confirmed that whatever way is flat goes on the top and that "you'll know if they're installed correctly, otherwise they won't seat correctly" -- meaning Jim you have them on right, tighter coils at the top.

evasive also mentioned that "the stamp on the spring doesn't matter." so there we go!
 
Old Nov 9, 2010 | 04:53 PM
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That makes sense to me. If you think about it, the extra windings would have the effect of unsprung weight if on the bottom.
 
Old Nov 9, 2010 | 07:23 PM
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Every now and then a blind squirrel finds a nut...

The part that cracks me up is Evasive confirming that the label should not be used as a guide for mounting the rear spring. I haven't heard back from Swift yet.

LEONARD FROM SWIFT CORRECTED ME ON THIS 11/10 - FRONT AND REAR SPRINGS SHOULD BE INSTALLED SO THAT YOU CAN READ THE SWIFT LABEL WITHOUT HAVING TO STAND ON YOUR HANDS!

I just flipped the rear springs after I got home from work today. I'm a dumb ass. I don't know what I was smokin' last Saturday, but the only parts that matter are the top and bottom rubber caps - the rear spring could be mounted either way since the end coils ARE identical, as Leonard from Swift verified. They look a whole lot cooler now that I can read the labels from the back! The test ride was the same - excellent!


Don't get me wrong, I am digging the hell out of these springs, especially with 26k on my tires - just the right amount of tread left to have some fun. I LOVE the way my Fit rides and handles now. If I did nothing else to upgrade a Fit other than the Swift springs, I would be happy.
 

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Old Nov 9, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim2bFit
Better yet, a single sheet of paper with simple diagram would have been reassuring, but all you get with the springs is a "if you're a dufus and cut your hand off installing our springs it's not our fault" liability statement!
lmfao

glad you posted up the pics Jim, your car looks great (i have a blue ge too)
 
Old Nov 9, 2010 | 09:58 PM
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Unexpected response from Swift

So I received an answer back from Swift, and it's totally not what I expected. Anyway, here it is...

"I just received your email and in fact I have a few other Swift users for the GE8 asking for the same thing about the rear spring fitment. In fact one linked me to the thread.

The springs have the same id both top and bottom so installed either way is fine. We have had many cases where racers have preferred their helper spring both on the top of their coilovers and vise versa, and they claim to feel a difference. It is all in terms of driver feel. The fit is a special case where either way the spring will fit. So there is no absolute correct positioning. We generally do have the stickers facing rightside up but again in the GE’s case, either way will fit.

It is posted in the thread that one user swears that it can only be installed in one direction, but this however is incorrect. Just to make sure I have measured not only the inner diameter of the spring as well as the distance between the top 2 coils and sure enough they are identical. So if you can correct what that user has stated that would be great."

That user is ME!


 

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Old Nov 9, 2010 | 11:33 PM
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I love my swifts!
 
Old Nov 9, 2010 | 11:56 PM
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Alright, that's it. I'm going to finagle some of these via xmas somehow. TC be on the lookout for that visit!
 
Old Nov 9, 2010 | 11:59 PM
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That makes sense to me. If you think about it, the extra windings would have the effect of unsprung weight if on the bottom.
Wow - I think you're right. Never thought about that, but if the mass is down at the bottom, it is having to change directions all the time as opposed to if it were on the top. There's your answer folks.
 
Old Nov 10, 2010 | 10:03 AM
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Got a voicemail from Swift, too

I accidentally left my phone at work yesterday , but thankfully it was still on my desk when I got in this morning! Whew! Anyway, I had a voicemail waiting from a guy at Swift, besides the email I posted from them in the previous reply.

I'm going to call him back today and discuss my posts on this thread as it relates to their email response that says you can install the rear spring in either direction. I'm still not buying it. I really think they are talking about the GD3 spring, part #4H912.

LEONARD FROM SWIFT CORRECTED ME ON THIS 11/10 - FRONT AND REAR SPRINGS SHOULD BE INSTALLED SO THAT YOU CAN READ THE SWIFT LABEL WITHOUT HAVING TO STAND ON YOUR HANDS!

When you look at the multiple photos of the rear spring for the GE8 (part #4H021) that I've posted, the newer design is clearly a progressive spring, and the final coil loop on either end is not identical in shape. In fact, as I said previously, once you have all the piece parts laid out and the rubber insulators / end caps in your hands, the orientation will be obvious.

I just flipped the rear springs after I got home from work today. I'm a dumb ass. I don't know what I was smokin' last Saturday, but the only parts that matter are the top and bottom rubber caps - the rear spring could be mounted either way since the end coils ARE identical, as Leonard from Swift verified. They look a whole lot cooler now that I can read the labels from the back! The test ride was the same - excellent!

I LOVE the Swift springs.
 

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