Boxer 4 can put out some ungodly horsepower numbers with some work. And if we are going on about the mustang why not bring the new camaro into it? I definitely like it a lot more than the mustang and the SS puts out a little more power than the 5.0 GT.

 

I agree on the sound of the V8 models, Fords always have a clean sound with a properly done exhaust be it factory or aftermarket. Looks, eh, I could live without the 2010 to now body, the bodies from 1999 till 2009 were pretty dope though. Especially the Mach 1, Bullitt, and Terminator models. I'm actually quite curious how those EcoBoost powered Mustangs will do on the track.

Eh... manual transmission LS powered F-Bodies, GTOs, and 'Vettes were rated ('Vette still is) get the 26 MPG highway thanks to 5th and 6th gear being overdrive gears. Old/discontinued models yes but still fairly comparable to Mustang of that time, maybe even to the current model.

In addition to that, the LS F-Bodies did also have a live rear as well but were quite agile things with the upgraded suspension package on the Camaro SS and WS6, featuring 275 width tires on 17x9 wheels at all 4 corners as well as a revised spring, shock, and sway bar package if I recall correctly.

The LS GTOs (also G8 & current Camaro) both have independent rears and can put the power down well in drag situations (not as well as the Mustang); however, they (the GTO I've read) do not understeer as much the Mustang that was produced at the time and in fact were prone to want to oversteer.

The 'Vette I know is a bit over kill in a comparison with the Mustang but in terms of rear suspension they are just about neck and neck. The Corvettes still run a monoleaf rear suspension, though in the 'Vette's case I'm sure its a really sophisticated design (never researched so I can't honestly say) and that design in combination with electronic self-damping shocks, the wheel/tire combo, and chassis structure is another factor as well.

 

Front driver's seat. Srsly it's really uncomfortable on long trips.......and I make trips from OC to Ventura County.

 

Any engine can make ungodly horsepower with some work. however a Boxer 4 will always be unreliable, and when (not if) it breaks they're a PITA to work on

And they sound awful.

Why not the new Camaro? The 400ish pound difference in weight, the Camaro being slower in every measurable test, worse handling, the fact that it was designed for people 5'9" and under, doesn't sound as good as mustang, etc

And I think they're ugly :p

If Ford is neck and neck with the Vette for rear suspension, they're doing it right.

30k vs. 45k+

 

Putting a 3.8 v6 against a 5.0 v8??? Does that make ANY sense at all? They compared the 370, Gen Coupe, and Mustang BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPARABLE. You asked for fact on why I said they were comparable and now your saying it's not ok because the mustang should be the 5.0... Why should they be comparing the 5.0 to the gen coupe when that's not what the question at hand was?

IT WAS A BATTLE OF THE SIXES! Not "Battle of the sixes, and a 5.0".

 

The mustang in this test was equipped with the same suspension found of the GT. I'm not sure how much more comparable they're going to get...
Its a V6 sports car with a nice suspension.

 

My daughter makes me rethink the Fit. We weren't planning on having her, but if we where I would of gotten a Mazda5 manual. I always liked the way they looked, except for the new ones, they're ugly.

 

A fit is more than big enough for one child.

So top of the line Genesis vs. base model Mustang = fair comparison?

And how does the 370z fit into that challenge?

Those three cars are in no way alike...

 

They are all FR V6 powered sportscars... That's how..

Mustang - 3.7 v6 with 305 bhp
Genesis - 3.8 v6 with 306 bhp
370 - 3.7L v6 with 332 bhp

The Z fits because the professionals say its in the same class.. I honestly feel like your just screwing with me now.....

 

Top of the Line Genesis has a V6 like the "base" model mustang. Making them comparable. The Mustang does have the performance package so it doesn't really count as a dirt cheap base model. It's pretty much a GT but with the V6. You seem to want it to where the Genesis is using the 2.0T against the V6 which is terribly unfair even though I think the Genesis might be able to pull it out with the help of the boost.

 

Jamy, thank you for backing me up.

 

Not neccesarily backing anyone up, Just trying to figure out what is unfair about the match up that the reviewers put together. Granted I don't think the 370 belongs in the competition as it's strictly a sports car with no capability of trying to be a sedan like the other two. But even with it just between the Mustang and the Genesis the Genesis still wins according to them. Granted some people may not think it wins, and that is a matter of opinion, but to say that the competition was unfair due to one being a certain level while the other wasn't doesn't make sense.

 

Fine.

Let's compare a 911 Carrera vs. a Corvette Z06.

That sounds reasonable to me.

 

Ok? Nobody is saying it isn't reasonable, even though they are pretty different.

But you are arguing that cars that are regularly compared shouldn't be. This is the worst debate/discussion Ive ever been a part of.

 

A high quality retractable fabric top from just behind the windshield all of the way to the Hatch with a hatch window that can be lowered would be so very nice unless the summer we are now are having is going to be what it's going to like from now on... If I can find someone that can install one on my car I and positive I would love it..

 

I'm not you.

 

We get it, you hate Hyundai. They aren't going to convince you, and you aren't going to convince them.

Unstoppable force meet immovable object.

Agree to disagree and move on.

Personal Experience, the wife has an '06 Sonata and it is a really decent car. Never had any major issues with it, never in a garage outside of normal maintenance. I really believe Hyundai has stepped up their build quality in the last 5-6 years to become a real competitor. I remember the first time I saw the 2003 Tiburon. That was the first time Hyundai entered the ranks of my "Purchasable Manufacturers" List.

 

I tell you what really has me considering a trade on my Fit. The 2012 Fiat 500 Abarth (that's the super high performance model). If the reliability holds up that could be the fit killer for me, if its fun. I have to get one out on the road to find out and I, as of yet, do not have a Fiat dealer here.

 

 

Ahh, so you're one of them?

I CAN'T PUT MY KID IN A SMALL CAR, THEY'LL BE AT RISK.

OR

One kid in car = no room left!

Quit it.

You know what my parents had when my brother and I were growing up? No, let me give a couple examples:
TJ Jeep Wrangler
Ford Tempo
Nissan 200sx (S12)
Extended cab Toyota Pickup (Pre-Tacoma/T100)

They're all along those same lines.

People today need to stop the wussification of today's youth and realize they can't protect them from everything.

What car will I drive when I have my first kid? The Fit.
When he's 10? The Fit.


And I'd like to say, I'm a big fan of the Mazda5, so don't say I "hate Mazda/mazda5", for proof, you can read the thread I started in H-T's GDD:

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2966206

Fit killer?

Less space.
More money.
Same mpg.
Less reliability.

Only trump card it has:
Speed
Coolness.

I don't hate Hyundai. I just have yet to be impressed by one.