No, a gearbox that doesn't work is unacceptable to me. You still don't get it. You probably should give up on the whole comprehension thing.

 

Not if it was larger. The Fit is a good size for me. Power is always appreciated though

 

What about it doesn't work as opposed to doesn't work like you want it to? You get the stated millage or close enough as to make no difference. Your descriptions don't sound like a malfunction as much as just the car working like it was intended. It shifts and revs a lot. If that is unacceptable to you then you should start actually test driving other cars.

 

 

I'm not upset because others haven't had the same type of driving experience and dependability from their Fit as I have had from mine.. I've been driving it for 5 years and 11 months and constantly doing changes to it that have awarded me with surprising acceleration, top end speed and great handling.. It uses more fuel than when stock but I can live getting 28 to 33 MPG for now. I am in the process of doing some tuning that I am hoping will improve the mileage and also improve the power output.. There are a few more here doing likewise and passing info back and forth from one end of the country to the other.... Every year I have had the car it has become faster and better handling than the year before....I'm frustrated that I can't come up with anything that will solve seb9316's problem.. I have a manual I could refer to if he lived down this way to use to run all of the diagnostic checks to figure out what his problem is and how to fix it.

 

He has to figure out if there is a problem first. If the engine is knocking then the trans will be all over the place since the power is not consistent and the power to the trans wont be consistent.

My wife's new car was getting 21 mpg so we bumped the octane to 89 and the mpg went up to 24 city. She just drove 800 miles and got 33 mpg using mid grade in mixed highway with lights. She stayed off the turnpike which she would have gotten even better mpg.

I would recommend bumping the octane and go from there. The air has been so dry here that me using premium, I still have knock but not that bad.

 

We both know that with premium in the tank the ignition timing isn't pulled back as soon when the throttle is down accelerating or climbing a hill... You need more throttle and that is going to cause the transmission to unlock the torque converter or downshift... Driving slow and easy is going to have the effect of shifting down ant lower speeds than it would if revved freely and extending the shift point when the pedal is all of the way down.. That would have it adjusting to that type of driving and it will learn to hold a gear longer but also to wait until it is at higher
speed at more throttle before dropping a gear or unlocking the converter.

 

No hills around here to speak of but my experience with premium is less throttle and no down shifting. It depends on fuel enrichment on the timing with premium. Sometimes I see less timing and less fuel. MBT timing actually has less timing swings and is more consistent because of that. Fuel trims are leaner during that operation too.

I don't think Honda has a adaptive transmission in the Fit but I might be wrong. I know the Accord does and I did not like the way it shifted on Regular and mid-grade made that issue less noticeable.

 

First you were complaining it shifted too frequently, and now not frequently enough. Make up your mind!

Grade control logic is WTF...

The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) is programmed to hold a gear either ascending or descending a grade depending on the incline, throttle position, and about a dozen other parameters.

Here's some reading material from the shop manual:




It also is programmed to hold gears if you're in the twisties:


It really seems you're not able to handle an automatic transmission. At least not a modern one.

 

You would be wrong. And if your civic is knocking, you better get it checked.

 

With the Knock sensor you don't hear Knock but you can feel it and the engine in louder. Ok I was wrong on the transmission, that said then premium would help that too.

If I am so wrong then why are sites updating there papers. Car Bibles : The Fuel and Engine Bible: page 3 of 6

As far as my car knocking, every car knocks because each of cycle to cycle variations and when the humid air arrives it will knock less resulting in even higher mpg. http://www.rockettbrand.com/techsupp...tisfaction.pdf

 

Having lived in the LR area, there's no such thing as not humid air there.

 

We have had a drought around here and even though the temps have been warm to hot the humidity we normally have has not arrived yet. The Humidity arrives this weekend. I can tell by the fuel trims.

 

Sounds like my PCM is not functioning properly.
At least until yesterday afternoon, when the revs in 4th heading up that hill were so high that it SHOULD have upshifted but didn't.
Yes, most of the time it shifts more than it should to climb a hill. It also shifts abnormally frequently when accelerating, slowing, then accelerating again. The only time it shifts normally is when I can accelerate from dead stop, with no one in front of me, up to a cruise point. If there is someone in front of me, that during acceleration decides to cruise at a point lower than what I wish, and I have to let up off the gas even a fraction, the stupid thing shifts when it should (according to the PCM info you posted) allow me to slow down in that gear and hold that gear in slightly lower revs, without upshifting as soon as I move my foot up a millimeter on the pedal, then downshifting when I am forced to press the pedal down again because I didn't want it to shift in the first place and I am now going slower than all the other traffic behind me.
If what happened yesterday was a result of the PCM actually working the way it was designed to, then fine-- why has it not worked correctly up to now??
I don't even know where to start with your asinine comment that I "can't handle an automatic transmission." I'm not sure that is even possible.

 

Also, one other thing I might mention-- I have noticed over the past several weeks that when I first turn on the car, it almost sounds like it is not at full power--if that makes any sense. I have checked the rpms and they appear ok, but the car sounds like it is not getting quite the correct air/fuel mixture-- it actually sounds to me like what it sounds like when someone puts an aftermarket air cleaner on, kind of a droning sound coming from the engine bay. I don't really know how to describe it, but I just wonder if there is something going on with the intake or exhaust system that might explain everything. The engine runs smooth, no rough idling or shudder or anything like that, but that sound is not what I remember the engine sounding like when we first bought the car.

 

Car is haunted. I suggest crashing it into a catholic church so a priest can preform an exorcism.

 

Right, because-- as you have implied time and time again--there can never be anything wrong with a Honda. EVER.

 

I recommend high octane. I didn't want to suggest this as it's a secret we hold pretty close, but you've earned it for your troubles.

 

Look, lamebrain, I'll fully acknowledge that Honda has faults. The fit is the only car from the current Honda/Acura lineup I'd actually put money down on. And its not like my car didn't have specific issues (part of both the batch of bad batteries in 2010 and part of the group that they forgot to tighten the seats to the car properly).

All that said, what you have described sounds normal. It holds the gear on hills with the TC disengaged. When you start going up the hill, it'll disengage the TC and then downshift. When you lift off the gas because you are approaching another car, it'll up shift to cruise at a higher gear, then downshift again when you go to pass. It's advertised to get ~30 mpg. That's just the way the car works; lots of shifting and opening closing of the TC. Clearly this isn't the kind of car you enjoy driving, so you should get a larger engined car for your new car. Just be sure to test drive the new one so you know what you are buying.