Oh, you mean the lawsuit that is NOT in fact about Hyundai misrepresenting 40 mpg HIGHWAY on its Elantra model, but instead about how easy Hyundai has made it for ignorant twats to believe that when Hyundai touts 40 mpg HIGHWAY on its car ads, they believe its 40 mpg ALL THE TIME?

BIG difference between that and Honda grossly misrepresenting real world highway mileage on its Fit, which it has.

Nice try, but you fail.

 

A lifetime of beatdowns and insults? That is quite hilarious. Obviously you have no clue about the great Soichiro Honda and what he accomplished coming from nothing and from a family without any sort of influence in Japan. It's why Toyota and Nissan pleaded with the powers that be to not allow him to make cars as he was a peasant and not worthy to provide automobiles to the masses in Japan. Toyota would not even look at the piston rings he made and tried to sell Toyota to use in their engines. If somebody wants to insult and lay a smackdown on my son for being named after somebody who pretty much self-made the company that it is, the LARGEST internal combustion engine maker in the world then I would have to say they would be the biggest idiot on the planet and you occupy the spot next to them for even thinking up this crazed scenario. And guess what, if that is the case it will only make him stronger and strive for greatness. I'm sure he won't end up the whiny bitch that you have become, your mom must be so proud of how she raised you. Or is that how it is done in Arkansas?

Honda has grossly misrepresented the highway mileage? I fail? hahahaha keep going you are full of jokes. Like I said, you would fit in with the masses that can not read the fine print. Please reread what you quoted from me and try once again to comprehend the words typed out. I'll help you because even Google Maps wouldn't get you in the right place. Supposedly, Hyundai, customers, duped, believing, 40mpg, fine print.

Momma always said stupid is as stupid does, run Seb run.

 

Hillbilly is one word.


DUMB ASS.

 

Hyundai Elantra
Hyundai Sonata (same mpg, MUCH more interior room.)
Mazda 3
Mazda 5 (Skyactiv technology was a huge breakthrough, something I would have expected from Honda in its former days, obviously not now since they are more content to rest on their laurels. Oh, also the last car company to be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern age of CVT and direct injection.)
Subaru Impreza
Ford Focus
Nissan Versa Hatchback
Kia Soul (again, equal fuel mileage, MUCH more interior AND cargo space.)

I could go on with some European cars but choose not to, because I have obviously proven my point.

 

Be sure to explain all this to your son when he comes home crying with a black eye and bleeding nose.

 

I lol'd at the Sonata having much more interior room.

I struggled to get comfortable in the Sonata, not so in the Fit.

Although, I assume you're 5'8" 220 based on your huge intelligence.

 

Be sure to go get snipped so you can't produce any more ignorant humans, explain to the doctor to just come read this thread, I'm sure you won't even be charged.

 

Honda and DI

Again you show your profound knowledge when it comes to Honda. I knew about these motors long ago, but I figured I would find something for you to read, not sure why though as your comprehension is at about a stay in the lines level.

 

It's become apparent you are not worth my energy (as it has become apparent to other members), and I will not go through each of those poor choices.

Did you see the post I made comparing the Fit, Sonata, and how much a financial disaster trading cars is based on MPGs? Read that and get back to me.

As for the Kia Soul having MUCH more interior and cargo space?

Fit: 57.3
Soul: 53.4

Yes, you read that right, the Fit has more cargo space. At least research your claims a little bit.

Legroom Soul: 40.2 / 39.6
Legroom Fit: 41.3 / 34.5

Spend a lot of time in the back seat? The Fit's rear legroom is actually within .1 inch of the Sonata btw.

And regarding direct injection engines. Reliability has yet to be proven.

Your comparison cars are all awful, sans maybe the Mazda 5, which is a strong value in my opinion. And out of all of those, you only included 2 subcompacts, the class of car the Fit is in (in case you didn't know.)

I'm done here.

 

Why are such a high proportion of new members this year belligerent ignoramuses?

How on earth do you guys remember to breathe let alone get financing on a car?

Bulking up on the ol' ignore list like I'm at Costco lol

 

What I don't get is that he had a perfectly reasonable objection: "I don't like the busy shifting feel." Its a valid opinion to have about the car and certainly not factually wrong. And if it bothers someone that much, I can totally see trading for another car; though I would certainly think that they should do a better job researching the next choice. But hey, we all make mistakes. I just don't get the expectation to get higher than EPA numbers or it's false advertising.

 

From one of your fellow Honda worshiper's own posts:

So, congrats-- you just contradicted one of your very own. It must really suck to be you.

 

There seems to be a misconception by people here that Honda provides fuel economy numbers. THEY DON'T. HONDA DOES NOT PROVIDE FUEL ECONOMY NUMBERS. Fuel economy numbers are provided by THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT by the EPA.

The EPA tests cars, and calculates fuel economy numbers using complex formulas and requires the car manufacturers to post those numbers they provide for city, highway and combined. Car manufacturers cannot fudge numbers! The best they can do is try to engineer their cars to maximize the numbers put out by the EPA tests.

The calculations they use change as they try to keep up with emerging technologies, and are not entirely accurate. For example, hybrids. The tests when hybrids emerged did not take into account how hybrids work and the fuel economy numbers for them were wildly inaccurate. So it doesn't surprise me that an automatic might be rated higher than a manual but in real driving conditions the manual get much higher fuel economy. The EPA test isn't taking into account all the tricks you can perform with a manual transmission to improve economy, it's just running it on a treadmill and recording results.

 

More room in numbers, sure? More real world space? Fit wins.

 

My wife has a CX-5, I must say I'm entirely impressed. She's getting better mileage (33 combined) with an SUV than some of the people here say they are getting with their FITs.

If I could have gotten a manual transmission with the Touring edition, I'd have been all over it. Stupid move, Mazda.

 

Good riddance. Since the point of that post, as you grossly misunderstood, is that every one of the cars I mentioned gives at least as much interior DRIVER'S space, which is where I am all the time, as good fuel economy as far as what I am getting in the Fit, and much, MUCH, peppier livelier acceleration. Every one of those cars I mentioned would smoke the Fit in a heartbeat. And I am sure that your self-inflated ago, much like everyone else on here, wants to focus in on the cargo space since all your pretentious reasons to exist seem to be based on how much stuff you can haul around, thereby making your lives seem way more important than they really are. But I know better. Fact is, hardly any of you EVER use the Fit for cargo, or enough groceries to warrant that space. Let me repeat that: once again, your life does not need the cargo space, so its irrelevant. You use it as an around town car, just as I wanted to do--the real reason to buy this car based on its fuel mileage claims, which in my case turn out to be completely false. ANY of those other cars I mentioned would average 29 mpg same as my Fit, yet smoke it in performance. Therefore, what is the point in owning the Fit? Again, just stop with the cargo space--it's hardly relevant. And you can;t come up with anything else. Oh, reliability you say? How about all those recent complaints about Hondas? Which only further proves my point that you made up your minds a long time ago that Honda would never, EVER do any wrong, while in fact they have been slipping in QC and resting on their laurels for years. I swear to God I have no idea why so many of you brainwashed idiots are having trouble wrapping your minds around that.

 

What complaints have there been recently about Hondas reliability? Or are you confusing complaints about model redesigns with complaints about reliability?

 

Even granting that point (which I will,) it just furthers my argument for the Fit being a big disappointment for me. Why would I keep a car that is constantly on the low end of the EPA range, even if it is in that range, when that is 90% of the reason we bought this car, and when everyone else seems to be claiming FAR higher numbers with theirs? Maybe it really is JUST my car-- it would be great if I could just go back to the dealer and say "hey give me another one." Or, as I said a ways back in this thread, I would be more than happy to trade this thing out with someone else for a week and compare. Since I can't practically do either, and I therefore have to go by what I am seeing from my own car, my only recourse is to call it a fail and sell it. It's too bad- as much as I really wanted to like this car, I just can't because it flat is not giving me what I REASONABLY expected it to give me. And no, trying to excuse it by saying that my mpg is falling within spec doesn't cut it when a) there are so many other people claiming FAR higher numbers and b)there are so many other cars that would also fall within that spec and give better performance.

 

Now you're just pulling stuff from your ass. I haul a big ass Great Pyr around in my Fit, and mountain bikes are in the back of it about every other day. They wouldn't fit in any of the other cars you mention because only the Fit has the great back seats. The only other car I'd consider with what I haul is a Honda Element, but I couldn't find a used one I was satisfied with.

Also those other cars wouldn't average 29mpg if you were driving them, they'd get 26 and you'd be on some other forum bitching about it because you don't have the common sense to know that Honda doesn't provide fuel economy numbers, the US Government does.

 

Read my above post. I conceded your point, the Fit (at least MY Fit) is still a big disappointment. And there are plenty of other ways to haul bikes.
How do you propose I eliminate the possibility that it is every Fit, and not just mine?