Keep posting please, your english is way better then my japanese (as in i dont speak japanese)

 

OK, It continues.

1 year passes, August 2002,
1.5(VTEC 7Speedmode CVT) was added to the lineup.

1.5(VTEC) has the sports intention compared with 1.3(i-DSI).
The horsepower improved more than 1.3,
and 7Speedmode CVT was installed in the transmission.

And,
2 companies made a strenuous effort in a new product development by the sports model's having been added.
The horsepower rises surely,
and it aims at an ideal intake system that getting depressed of the torque in Low-Middle RPM is few.

One is Verno Tokai (present company name is Honda Cars Tokai).
(hondacars-tokai.com)

Another one is Last Station (laststation.com).

First of all, a story of Verno Tokai.

Verno Tokai is Honda dealer.
The Verno Tokai was development with 5ZIGEN of the Exhaust muffler maker.
(5ZIGEN : 5zigen.co.jp)
5ZIGEN developed parts for the sales promotion of the Tokai group from Verno Tokai.
Verno Tokai will sell new car that builds in these parts.

And, the product is completed at the end of 2003.
These are the product.


Name is 130R Chamber.
It was sold together with the 5ZIGEN Exhaust muffler,
and 50 sets were distributed to each Verno dealer of the Verno Tokai group.

Price at that time was 120,000 Yen. (approx US$1,050.00)
But, it seems not to have sold in the combination sales easily.

so, after a while,
The combination sales are abandoned, and sales only of 130R begin excludes 5ZIGEN exhaust muffler.
Price at that time was 60,000 Yen. (approx US$510.00)
But, this 130R Chamber was not able to achieve their sales target.

so, It's sold by HONDA Veni now. (honda-veni.com)
However, it hardly sells...

3 years have passed since Verno Tokai begins to have sold it.
Japanese who knows this intake system existed when now comes is very few.
And,
Some day, It goes out of Japan and it goes across the sea.

btw,
There was the time when AQUA and J's installed this 130R to their demonstration car.
(AQUA : aqua-fsp.com / J's Racing : jsracing.co.jp)
(AQUA Fit)

continues to the story of another one.

 

from what I can tell, that's the same as the T1R intake, is the T1R carbon a clone?

 

Oops! For me, the mistake is found.
The completion of Verno Tokai 130R Camber is the "End of 2003".

Story of continuation from above-mentioned Res.
Another one company, LS(Last Station) story.

The same time as Verno Tokai 130R Chamber,
Development of an Inake System for FIT NA engines was continued in LS.

(Photo is LS PowerBox Prototype, November 2003 in Jpn Central Circuit)

LS doesn't request the product development to the other companies,
LS developed PowerBox alone based on the advice of *F company in a collaborative relationship.
(* F company : The name cannot be put out here. Tuning manufacturer of the race specialty)

Improvement of inhalation efficiency,
Securing of torque of Low-Middle RPM,
More power in High RPM,
Effective use for suction pulse and Venturi effect, etc.
(I do not understand details of these technology either.)

And, having completed it's 1st model type LS PowerBox.


Price at that time is 49,800 JPY. (approx US$426.00)
It's very expensive for an Intake system, but popularity appeared with release very much in Jpn.
What you should mention specially is the performance.
The performance is fundamentally different from the poor intake system of HKS and A'PEXi for FIT.
A rumor caused a rumor, and this infiltrated to Japanese user immediately.

1st model type LS PowerBox got the consent of A'PEXi and used air filter made by A'PEXi.
But, a stockout of a air filter occurred.
A'PEXi was not in time for the bulky order by LS.
so, A lot of customers at that time were waiting for 2 months more for PB.

Then 1 year later March 2005,
LS released PB1(PowerBox Type-1) and PB2(PowerBox Type-2) which became the 2nd model.
(2nd model PB2)

It changes from the A'PEXi air filter of 1st model PB to LS original air filter.
Change in box(Intake Chamber) shape, etc.
PB1 performance is equal to 1st model PB.
PB2 performance is for more Street - Sports.

And, PB still evolves and the price was changed.
At August 2006, LS released 3rd model PB.
PBR(PowerBox Type-R) and PBS(PowerBox Type-S).
(3rd model PBR,PBS)

3rd model PBR/PBS is products that fundamentally renewed each performance of PB2 and PB1.
PBR's main target is Sports - circuit.
PBS's main target is Streetsports.

Thank you for listening for a long sentence.
My eyes and brain tired...

 

a long time ago,
In the case of a turbo car, it was said,
When intake air temperature fell by 1 degree, rises by 1HP.

FIT is severe with heat in powerless car.
A basic concept is an eco car.
A/F is considerably thin.
coz, To extend the mileage.

It's the limit where knocking occurs.
The combustion temperature is high.
FIT cools the engine from the Cylinder-Head for that.
opposite to a usual car.
(Cooling water passes a usual car from the cylinder to the cylinder-head. )
The skill of Honda preventing knocking for FIT.

It is considerably effective to lower the intake air temperature as much as possible.
It is a good method that leads air directly to the air filter by using the duct.
I think that the normal intake system is wonderful.
For the introduction of air, It doesn't touch the engine-room at all.

btw,
What is "fujita"?
sounds like a Japanese name.

 

For instance,
It is not a full-carbon camber,
Only if pastes the carbon on FRP surface,
If do not pastes it on the bottom side,
maybe.

I cannot write indeed here though I variously hear underground information.
sorry.

But, this is very good intake system too.
At present,
I think that the intake system with good performance is only LS and 130R Camber for FIT.
My friend is installing 130R Camber.

btw,
An aluminum body or a product made in aluminum pipe is unsuitable for Intake system.
Externals are good looks.
But, It is easy to receive the influence of the heat of the engine room.
coz, The thermal conductivity of aluminum is very high.

 

Fujita is the first company on the west coast of US to come up with a Cold Air Intake for the Manual Transmission FIt (Because of the clearance issures with the A/T it is still in development)

Other company's have followed in the CAI market with the Fit M/T. Such as AEM, Injen, Etc.

I have the Fujita CAI, thought i Have no Dyno, there are dyno charts on www.f5air.com their website. The high Rpm range pulls hard!

The Fit used to feel like it dies at 6000, and to rev out to 6500 was pointless. But since the install fo the CAI, I've noticed the car pulls the whole way through!

As for low end loss in torque, I do agree that there is minimal loss. I've tried to correct that by installing a lightweight crankpulley. THis will help the engine spin free'er/faster and help acceleration.

My question to you is, these PB's, were they manufacured for the CVT's mainly b/c of clearance issues?

 

So, these have been long overdue, but I finally got around to making some vids of the PB in action. Sorry, the picture itself bites as I don't have a camera mount so you just get to look at my glove compartment, but the sound came out pretty decent considering.

City Driving
5-80 from a roll, WOT
0-70 from a stop,WOT

Enjoy!

 

Chikubi,

Your PBR sounds wonderful. Thank you for the knowledge that you and your Japanese friends share with us. I've visited you FITOPIA and Minkara web sites. They are filled with wonderfull information about your Fit build up and the Japanese Fit Community. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge through your web sites and FitFreak.net. It must take lots of your time.

Can you please tell us if the PBR has affected your fuel efficiency? If so by how much?

 

Chikubi,
Looks like the one you have is the PBR, for racing? Or is it the PBS for street...

 

Thanks a lot! It's nice to know someone takes the time to read my pages and finds them useful. I try to update them as much as I can, but with a new baby and work it's a bit of a challenge. Anyway, thank you!

As for mileage, it definitely has dropped -- about 3-4 mpg that I've noticed, BUT, that's probably more from my driving it harder now w/ the intake installed than anything else. It's just that much more fun now, ne

tricolor: it's the PBR for racing. Last Station advised that only the PBR will fit USDM/LHD Fits, so that's what I've got. Even so, I use it for normal driving everyday and I don't notice too much of a difference in the low rev range -- maybe some torque loss, but not enough to get excited over. Considering the feel you get in the mid-high's, the throttle response, and the engine stressing much less under load (hills,etc), I'd say it's a good trade-off.

 

Some new info today. Recently, I was asked by a new PB owner what the life expectancy of the PB filter is. I wasn't sure, so I asked LS and this is the translation of what they told me:

LS normally recommends to exchange the filter every 10k km/6k miles. However, because the filter itself is rated to handle up to a 300hp single-turboed engine, on the Fit you can realistically get 25k km/15k miles out of the filter before it needs to be replaced. To do so, they recommended using compressed air from the inside to blow the dirt out while using a vacuum to suck up the lose dirt. If you do this every 5k km/3k miles, then you should only need to change the filter every 25k km/15k miles. They said it's the best cost vs. performance you can get. They also warned that b/c the filter is a dry-type filter, washing it w/ water or an oil based kit like from BLITZ is an absolute no-no and will ruin it immediately. This is all assuming you're not in a special environment like the desert, or any particularly dirty location. They said in Japan, with their typical distances and traffic, it works out to about 1 new filter every 2 years.

That's not too bad, and for here, I'd say depends on your driving -- for me it'd be about every 1.5 years. Anyway, there you have it in case anyone was wondering or needed to know. Still a great intake, and I've had no problems whatsoever since I've put it on.

 

wont compressed air make the element less effective? when you go blasting away at a filter that is made to catch very small particles it tends to make cause the media to separate slightly letting larger particles in.

 

+1 for the top end power! i feel more tq in the midrange so i don't know, could be my T1R test pipe?

 

I imagine that would be true, which is why LS ultimately recommends just replacing the filter outright every time as the best solution. Still, I think the point is that the filter they're using is a bit of overkill for the Fit's power level, so even with some degradation from cleaning, it's still filtering sufficiently well enough to give you the extended usage w/o endangering the engine. In my case, since I only put about 8k miles on the car a year (job is really close) I could probably change it every year and be well protected w/o spending too much money. For other's though, mileage may vary.

 

hi chikubi,
i'd just like to kno if u've had time to dyno ur fit with ur PBR yet? very interested to kno the numbers (currently shopping for an intake)

 

i emailed them direct and got a quote.

50,700 JPY (USD 429.66)

 

Nah, with winter and all, I just haven't gotten around to it. I wanna do it before I start putting on the exhaust mods come this spring, so just going to wait until then.

 

Not bad, sounds about right. I'm assuming that's shipping included. You going to go for it? Nice match with the J's exhaust I 'd say.

 

yes shipping included. i'm thinking about it. I'm 50/50 because in 2 weeks I blew a LOT of cash. I have T1R coilovers on the way too. just got taillights, have mugen sills and visors on the way. tint is going in tomorrow.