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Old May 10, 2014 | 10:45 PM
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If you mean how slowly the vehicle will lose speed with the foot completely off the throttle its not a number.
No, in many serial or serial-parallel hybrids the engine is not locked to the wheels so it is possible to have the car moving while the engine is not turning.

The new Fit hybrids can also disconnect the engine from the wheels through clutches. I am interested in knowing at what speed the clutches re-engage.
 
Old May 10, 2014 | 10:56 PM
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The only 'fudge factor' in the EPA mpg computer controlled driving program is the allowance of +0.5 mpg ...
From: http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/label/nprm-label2010.pdf


I bolded the fudge factor section
I was talking about the window sticker EPA mpg rating number. It = CAFE * fudge_factor

EPA commenced a rulemaking process in 1980 to revise its fuel economy labeling procedures, and analyzed a vast amount of in-use fuel economy data as part of that rulemaking.30 In 1984, EPA published new fuel economy labeling procedures that were applicable to 1985 and later model year vehicles.31 The decision was made to retain the FTP and highway test procedures, primarily because those procedures were also used for other purposes, including emissions certification and CAFE determination. Based on the in-use fuel economy data, however, it was evident that the final fuel economy values put on the labels needed to be adjusted downward in order to reflect more accurately consumers’ average fuel economy experience. The final rule, therefore, included downward adjustment factors for both the city and highway label fuel economy estimates. The city values (based on the raw FTP test data) were adjusted downward by 10 percent and the highway values (likewise based on the raw highway test data) were adjusted downward by 22 percent.32

In the early 2000s, EPA again began investigating the accuracy of the fuel economy label estimates, and concluded that driving behavior (e.g., higher average speed and acceleration) and other factors (such as the use of ethanol as a gasoline blending agent) had changed significantly since the correction factors were implemented in 1985, leading again to a widening gap between real-world fuel economy and the label estimates that consumers saw when shopping for new vehicles. During the development of vehicle emissions regulations in the late 1990s, EPA had already conclusively found that the city and highway tests did not adequately represent real- world driving, and in December of 2006 EPA finalized new test methods for calculating the fuel economy label values.33

The 2006 final rule made three important changes. First, EPA’s new methods brought the miles per gallon estimates closer to consumers' actual fuel economy by including factors such as high speeds, quicker accelerations, air conditioning use, and driving in cold temperatures. These revised fuel economy estimates also reflect other conditions that influence fuel economy, like road grade, wind, tire pressure, load, and the effects of different fuel properties. The new estimates took effect with model year 2008 vehicles. Second, EPA now requires fuel economy labels on certain heavier vehicles up to 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight, such as larger SUVs and vans. Manufacturers will be required to post fuel economy labels on these vehicles beginning with the 2011 model year. Third, to convey fuel economy information to the public more effectively, EPA updated the design and content of the label. The rule required that new labels be placed on vehicles manufactured after September 1, 2007. The fuel economy for each vehicle model continues to be presented to consumers on the label as city and highway MPG estimates.
 

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Old May 24, 2014 | 09:27 AM
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GM and the infamous ignition recall hit my HHR so the dealer took it and gave me a Hyundai Accent to drive until fixed. Could be 2 days or 2 months they really don't know. What a piece of crap that Hyundai is. I have grown tired of my HHR but I miss it already.
Only good things about the Accent is the mpg is 37 according to the dash display and the XM radio. I will have to check that mpg when I start putting gas in it. The few mpg over the HHR doesn't make up for the crappiness of the Hyundai.
 
Old May 24, 2014 | 04:36 PM
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GM and the infamous ignition recall hit my HHR so the dealer took it and gave me a Hyundai Accent to drive until fixed. Could be 2 days or 2 months they really don't know. What a piece of crap that Hyundai is. I have grown tired of my HHR but I miss it already.
Only good things about the Accent is the mpg is 37 according to the dash display and the XM radio. I will have to check that mpg when I start putting gas in it. The few mpg over the HHR doesn't make up for the crappiness of the Hyundai.
I am shocked to hear that a recall for replacing an ignition switch is not an in and out same day type of fix. Nevertheless, it is nice service to hear that gave you a loaner car.

What is it that you find so bad about the Accent?
 
Old May 24, 2014 | 04:45 PM
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Our cobalt is at the center of the recall, we have been waiting about 6 weeks now to get it fixed. If we are lucky the Fit will come in and someone else can wait on the parts to fix the cobalt :-P
 
Old May 25, 2014 | 11:23 AM
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I am shocked to hear that a recall for replacing an ignition switch is not an in and out same day type of fix. Nevertheless, it is nice service to hear that gave you a loaner car.

What is it that you find so bad about the Accent?
GM doesn't have the parts to fix the ignition yet just a few have come in. Heard on the news that it could be October.

My complaints about the Accent, rough ride, handling, noisy, NO POWER, seating position, wheel don't tilt far enough or telescopic.
Other things not the cars fault, no power seat, no cruise control, no auto on/off headlights, no steering wheel controls.

But today on my round trip to work and back 80 miles dash display said 46.5 mpg. Driving it just like my HHR that gets 33.5. That Accent is a coasting s.o.b. The same hill I coast the HHR down every day I can get about 3 miles, I got 4 miles with the Accent today. I coast until I reach 45-50 mph before putting the trans. back into park. I wonder what this means about the mpg I would get on the new Fit, if I ever see one.

I just couldn't drive the Accent and think I'm making payments on THIS?
 
Old May 25, 2014 | 12:19 PM
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coasting down a hill in neutral is destructive on an automatic transmission

More so then driving like a teenager all the time
 
Old May 25, 2014 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 13fit
coasting down a hill in neutral is destructive on an automatic transmission
Link to supporting facts please.

Coasting is coasting, and I've done it for 80,000 miles on my '07 Fit since 2006.
 
Old May 25, 2014 | 02:34 PM
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Coasting technique?

Originally Posted by badyellowvette
GM doesn't have the parts to fix the ignition yet just a few have come in. Heard on the news that it could be October.

My complaints about the Accent, rough ride, handling, noisy, NO POWER, seating position, wheel don't tilt far enough or telescopic.
Other things not the cars fault, no power seat, no cruise control, no auto on/off headlights, no steering wheel controls.

But today on my round trip to work and back 80 miles dash display said 46.5 mpg. Driving it just like my HHR that gets 33.5. That Accent is a coasting s.o.b. The same hill I coast the HHR down every day I can get about 3 miles, I got 4 miles with the Accent today. I coast until I reach 45-50 mph before putting the trans. back into park. I wonder what this means about the mpg I would get on the new Fit, if I ever see one.

I just couldn't drive the Accent and think I'm making payments on THIS?


Sorry to intrude....


The above coasting technique is not familiar to some of us that only drive manual transmission vehicles.


Can you explain please?
 
Old May 25, 2014 | 05:24 PM
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coasting down a hill in neutral is destructive on an automatic transmission
Only if the engine is off. If the engine is turning it is pumping lubricant to the transmission. Even if off, it is unlikely that damage would be caused by a few miles of coasting.

This is a great concern to the folks that tow cars behind motorhomes. Most automatics cannot be flat-towed because the transmissions won't be properly lubricated unless the engine is turning. Some can be towed if the engine is started periodically to circulate lubricant. Most flat-towers go to manual transmissions or to 4x4 vehicles with a transfer case that can be put into neutral.

Originally Posted by badyellowvette
GM doesn't have the parts to fix the ignition yet just a few have come in. Heard on the news that it could be October.
Yes, the "Just-In-Time" system of parts sourcing has its downsides. Parts are made for cars at the rate that the cars are made, which is very efficient for normal production as the manufacturer doesn't have to warehouse the parts. A considerable problem arises when the manufacturer suddenly has to replace a part across a fleet of cars and their supplier can only supply them at the trickle needed for normal production. Other sources have to tool up to produce the parts and even then it takes time.
 

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Old May 25, 2014 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by badyellowvette
GM doesn't have the parts to fix the ignition yet just a few have come in. Heard on the news that it could be October.

My complaints about the Accent, rough ride, handling, noisy, NO POWER, seating position, wheel don't tilt far enough or telescopic.
Other things not the cars fault, no power seat, no cruise control, no auto on/off headlights, no steering wheel controls.

But today on my round trip to work and back 80 miles dash display said 46.5 mpg. Driving it just like my HHR that gets 33.5. That Accent is a coasting s.o.b. The same hill I coast the HHR down every day I can get about 3 miles, I got 4 miles with the Accent today. I coast until I reach 45-50 mph before putting the trans. back into park. I wonder what this means about the mpg I would get on the new Fit, if I ever see one.

I just couldn't drive the Accent and think I'm making payments on THIS?
Thanks for your thoughts on the Hyundai Accent. I had a couple of these as rental cars last summer and while I found my Fit superior in certain regards, I was generally impressed with the accent. I would have rated the Accent equal in noise, ride, comfort and fuel economy and superior to my Fit in features. So if you find the Accent to lack power and to ride poorly, then you may find that you will not be satisfied by a Fit in these regards.

I have been surprised by the love you have shown for your HHR, because I did drive a few of these several years ago, and other than its retro styling, I really could not find anything at all that I liked about driving the HHR. So I guess it is different strokes for different folks. But like I said, while I find my 2009 Fit superior to the Accent in a variety of ways, its driving dynamic is much more like the accent than it is like the HHR.

The Accent they gave you must be a total striper, because most of them have tilt and telescoping steering wheel with radio, cruise and telephone controls on the steering wheel.

I am not surprised by the fuel economy that you have registered considering that you were also far exceeding the typical 25 MPG fuel economy of the HHR. I would expect the Fit will match or exceed what you are getting from the Accent. But I do not expect it will ride too much better or have significantly more power. Whether the improvements of the 2015 make a big difference in these regards is something I look forward to finding out.
 
Old May 25, 2014 | 09:13 PM
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Link to supporting facts please.

Coasting is coasting, and I've done it for 80,000 miles on my '07 Fit since 2006.

perhaps honda specifically took care of the issue.

the problem with coasting in an automatic transmission is line pressure is low when there is no throttle.

some transmissions have a secondary speed sensor to combat this, like many older toyota transmissions.

Nowadays I think the ecu is generally packaged with the transmission module, and can fight the negative effects fairly well

For the record, I havent had to rebuild any 4 cylinder hodna transmission. all my honda specimens have been the 90s/00s v6 trannies
 
Old May 25, 2014 | 09:53 PM
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Still not understanding the newer auto transmission..

Originally Posted by badyellowvette
GM doesn't have the parts to fix the ignition yet just a few have come in. Heard on the news that it could be October.

My complaints about the Accent, rough ride, handling, noisy, NO POWER, seating position, wheel don't tilt far enough or telescopic.
Other things not the cars fault, no power seat, no cruise control, no auto on/off headlights, no steering wheel controls.

But today on my round trip to work and back 80 miles dash display said 46.5 mpg. Driving it just like my HHR that gets 33.5. That Accent is a coasting s.o.b. The same hill I coast the HHR down every day I can get about 3 miles, I got 4 miles with the Accent today. I coast until I reach 45-50 mph before putting the trans. back into park. I wonder what this means about the mpg I would get on the new Fit, if I ever see one.

I just couldn't drive the Accent and think I'm making payments on THIS?


I would have thought that damage from possibly not having lubrication while coasting a couple of miles would be nothing compared to putting the transmission into PARK while going 45 - 50 mph ?


Do the newer cars have an over-ride system that does not let that happen? I quess I never tried doing that in an older car.


I expect that the original author meant that the car was put back into DRIVE while going 45 - 50 mph, but I may be incorrect.
 
Old May 25, 2014 | 11:01 PM
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Thanks for your thoughts on the Hyundai Accent. I had a couple of these as rental cars last summer and while I found my Fit superior in certain regards, I was generally impressed with the accent. I would have rated the Accent equal in noise, ride, comfort and fuel economy and superior to my Fit in features. So if you find the Accent to lack power and to ride poorly, then you may find that you will not be satisfied by a Fit in these regards.

I have been surprised by the love you have shown for your HHR, because I did drive a few of these several years ago, and other than its retro styling, I really could not find anything at all that I liked about driving the HHR. So I guess it is different strokes for different folks. But like I said, while I find my 2009 Fit superior to the Accent in a variety of ways, its driving dynamic is much more like the accent than it is like the HHR.

The Accent they gave you must be a total striper, because most of them have tilt and telescoping steering wheel with radio, cruise and telephone controls on the steering wheel.

I am not surprised by the fuel economy that you have registered considering that you were also far exceeding the typical 25 MPG fuel economy of the HHR. I would expect the Fit will match or exceed what you are getting from the Accent. But I do not expect it will ride too much better or have significantly more power. Whether the improvements of the 2015 make a big difference in these regards is something I look forward to finding out.
Maybe it was a previous generation Accent. I've driven the current and previous gen cars and although they are nothing to write home about dynamically, they are both very good basic cars with good build quality and finish. I'd say the interiors of the new ones feel less cheap than the base cars coming from the Japanese brands. I can't speak for long term reliability though but they come with 10 Year/100K Miles warranty. Around here, on sale, I can get an Accent SE with Auto and power everything, alloy wheels, for under US13k.
 
Old May 26, 2014 | 12:40 AM
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I would have thought that damage from possibly not having lubrication while coasting a couple of miles would be nothing compared to putting the transmission into PARK while going 45 - 50 mph ?...

...I expect that the original author meant that the car was put back into DRIVE while going 45 - 50 mph, but I may be incorrect.
I assumed that the "park" reference was an error and he meant "neutral." Before jumping on him for that I will examine my own history and note that I've made similar mistakes.

Every auto tranny that I've seen has a bevel built into the park pawl that prevents it from dropping in unless the car is stopped or moving very slowly. If you try it at any speed it will make a racket but otherwise will not cause any immediate damage.
 
Old May 26, 2014 | 06:39 PM
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Yes I did mean from neutral to drive. HHR has 107,000 miles and always coasted it, no problems. Wonder what coasting means to the new CVT transmission?

Evaluating the Accent further:

Found the ECO button today and switched it off when passing a car made a big difference.

Handling might just be tires, seems to do fairly well into the corners.

Brakes are far better then the HHR's.

Takes potholes softer then the HHR.

Jittery ride over rough roads like most small cars.

Accent is a 2014 with 7000 miles and the silver on interior trim is wearing off already.
 
Old Jun 9, 2014 | 06:28 PM
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Well with Brianflys new Fit averaging 42.7 mpg I am still a little disappointed. The Accent loner GM gave me averaged 46.1 over the two weeks I had it. Dash display said 46.6.
 
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Well with Brianflys new Fit averaging 42.7 mpg I am still a little disappointed. The Accent loner GM gave me averaged 46.1 over the two weeks I had it. Dash display said 46.6.
So Buy the Accent that you hated so much!
 
Old Jun 9, 2014 | 06:34 PM
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Well with Brianflys new Fit averaging 42.7 mpg I am still a little disappointed. The Accent loner GM gave me averaged 46.1 over the two weeks I had it. Dash display said 46.6.
Dash displays are not absolutely accurate. Next time do it the old fashion way. Same gas pump, write down mileage, and only fill until it stops, not anymore.
 
Old Jun 9, 2014 | 06:52 PM
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Well with Brianflys new Fit averaging 42.7 mpg I am still a little disappointed. The Accent loner GM gave me averaged 46.1 over the two weeks I had it. Dash display said 46.6.
How do you know he is driving the same way you are driving? Driving style and terrain are really the determining factors. Can't really compare 1 person's MPG to another.
 



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