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Old 08-14-2017, 03:58 PM
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Ram Air Duct for GK5

Hi All,

Wanted to create a new thread in the proper sub forum. For those who don't know yet, I am working with a Singapore distributor for a custom ram air duct for the GK5. I am currently testing two units for fit form and function, and so far I'm noticing an increase in throttle response and fuel efficiency.

I am trying to get a 10 piece group by together for those who are interested.
Initial cost mentioned in the original thread was $150 shipped (usps priority). I was able to work out the price with the distributor to drop the group buy price to $140 shipped.






Price: $140 shipped (usps priority mail)
Leadtime: less than 2 weeks.


Committed buyers list:

1. Fuelish
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10.

Once i get 10 interests, please deposit $140 via paypal. I will PM you the acct info. Can accept Venmo too!








original thread: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/3rd-...air-scoop.html

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So TougeMonster_GK5, is this "project" dead in the water? The more I look at it and think about it, I'd be down for one....I mean, yeah, a bit pricey, but a lot of folks will drop that kinda $$$, and more, on a good night out on the town, nice dinner and post-dinner entertainment of whatever type. I'm in, if you're still open to going with it...
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So TougeMonster_GK5, is this "project" dead in the water? The more I look at it and think about it, I'd be down for one....I mean, yeah, a bit pricey, but a lot of folks will drop that kinda $$$, and more, on a good night out on the town, nice dinner and post-dinner entertainment of whatever type. I'm in, if you're still open to going with it...
project is not dead. Just cant find the time to dyno. And group buy is still open. Need 10 committed interests! Or if i can get 5, price will go up 20%
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Put me down for one....commited....what the hell, maybe folks are just waitin' for someone else to break the ice?

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In case anyone is on the fence, here's my running review on this ram air intake: Ram Air Intake

So far this is one of the top 3 upgrades I've done on my Fit and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
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Put me down for one....commited....what the hell, maybe folks are just waitin' for someone else to break the ice?
Gotcha! 9 more to go!
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In case anyone is on the fence, here's my running review on this ram air intake: Ram Air Intake

So far this is one of the top 3 upgrades I've done on my Fit and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
Thanks 2Rismo2!
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Reminder everyone. I will be on a family vaca trip to Vietnam starting this weekend until 2nd week of Oct. Hopefully the list will have grown enough to get the order in.

Cheers!
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Reminder everyone. I will be on a family vaca trip to Vietnam starting this weekend until 2nd week of Oct. Hopefully the list will have grown enough to get the order in.

Cheers!
Thanks, man ... enjoy yer vaca... were headin' to Gulf Shores the last week of this month for a long overdue vaca. 12 hr night shifts as a nurse take their toll....would like to see this buy come about 😎
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Thanks, man ... enjoy yer vaca... were headin' to Gulf Shores the last week of this month for a long overdue vaca. 12 hr night shifts as a nurse take their toll....would like to see this buy come about 😎
That's why I bought his extra piece before the group buy! I wasn't sure it was going to come to fruition so I figured I'd get it just in case. Glad I did.

I'm sharing my experience and maybe others would find interest. I'm not gaining anything from my posts, just figured others would like to know and make their own judgement. If you look at my other posts on it, at first I was hesitant as well, especially on the MPG increase portion. I'm still testing that out but the amount of fun factor with it installed I wasn't expecting.
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I'm going to make a suggestion, based on spending the past couple months developing a business plan for an industrial product. Feel free to ignore it.

For a molded part like this, the initial setup and tooling cost has to be pretty high. The point of making a molded part is for the per part cost to be extremely low. I have to guess that the reason the price you are charging is so high is because you're only getting 10, and the setup cost is a huge part of the cost.

My guess at the cost of production is $500 for tooling + $10 per part.
For 10: $500+(10) x $10 = $600
For 100: $500+(100) x $10 = $1,500

The price point you've set ($150) seems to be higher than most people are willing to pay for this mod. I know that's true for me. For a part like this, I'd be willing to pay maybe $50, or $75 at the absolute max. I'd suggest that you do a poll and see how many people are willing to pay what price. You seem to be having trouble getting even a handful of people willing to pay $150. You might find that if the price were $50 you'd have 100 willing buyers.

As a point of comparison:
10 x $150 = $1,500
100 x $50 = $5,000

For an injection molded part, I'll bet you can easily make this price model work. You'd even push your return on investment higher. I really hope so because I'd love to buy one from you.
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I'm going to make a suggestion, based on spending the past couple months developing a business plan for an industrial product. Feel free to ignore it.

For a molded part like this, the initial setup and tooling cost has to be pretty high. The point of making a molded part is for the per part cost to be extremely low. I have to guess that the reason the price you are charging is so high is because you're only getting 10, and the setup cost is a huge part of the cost.

My guess at the cost of production is $500 for tooling + $10 per part.
For 10: $500+(10) x $10 = $600
For 100: $500+(100) x $10 = $1,500

The price point you've set ($150) seems to be higher than most people are willing to pay for this mod. I know that's true for me. For a part like this, I'd be willing to pay maybe $50, or $75 at the absolute max. I'd suggest that you do a poll and see how many people are willing to pay what price. You seem to be having trouble getting even a handful of people willing to pay $150. You might find that if the price were $50 you'd have 100 willing buyers.

As a point of comparison:
10 x $150 = $1,500
100 x $50 = $5,000

For an injection molded part, I'll bet you can easily make this price model work. You'd even push your return on investment higher. I really hope so because I'd love to buy one from you.
I appreciate your insight! I am now considering a larger group buy to see what I can do about cost. Please stay tuned!
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Have you reached out to any of the vendors, like Axion? I wish I could say I'm surprised at the lack of interest here but after reading the forum for a few months it's not really a big tuner community. Get a shop onboard and they might be able to just buy a bunch of them up front, instead of trying to herd a bunch of forum members together.
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I appreciate your insight! I am now considering a larger group buy to see what I can do about cost. Please stay tuned!
First off I'm a performance guy and also own a WRX. My mis-Fit is a daily driver. Maybe because of it's intended use I have little interest in performance parts for the Fit. Only way I'd even consider this item was if it was in the $50-75 range.

Personally, I don't think there's much of a market for it. Most Fit owners seem cheap or of low income. Just look at the typical forum posts. Cheapest tires with lifetime free rotation and balance. Cheapest oil, how overinflated tires provide more MPG............bla, blah blah
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First off I'm a performance guy and also own a WRX. My mis-Fit is a daily driver. Maybe because of it's intended use I have little interest in performance parts for the Fit. Only way I'd even consider this item was if it was in the $50-75 range.

Personally, I don't think there's much of a market for it. Most Fit owners seem cheap or of low income. Just look at the typical forum posts. Cheapest tires with lifetime free rotation and balance. Cheapest oil, how overinflated tires provide more MPG............bla, blah blah
yeah, aftermarketabilty state side sucks. Its too bad the Fit isnt as popular to modify like they do in south east asia. And its so rare to meet any fit owners with their rides done up. Some folks dont see our car is worth it enough to spend that kind of money. Better for the rest of us, were a rare breed of Honda on the street. #gotopaytoplay is what I always say. I pay to all day
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yeah, aftermarketabilty state side sucks. Its too bad the Fit isnt as popular to modify like they do in south east asia. And its so rare to meet any fit owners with their rides done up. Some folks dont see our car is worth it enough to spend that kind of money. Better for the rest of us, were a rare breed of Honda on the street. #gotopaytoplay is what I always say. I pay to all day

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WRX = Major FUN & fast




FIT = nowhere near as fun. It's just a commuter car, that's it. It's not a performance car, never will be



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WRX = Major FUN & fast




FIT = nowhere near as fun. It's just a commuter car, that's it. It's not a performance car, never will be


there's no comparison between the GK5 and the GRB, thats obvious. But i get your point. But on the contrary!! Sometimes you just have to be a little innovative to MAKE IT WORK, if you love the car enough to go the distance, and have time, and the funds, fuck it! Ill pay to be different!! I'd like to eat an FK8 for lunch if I come across one thru my local mountain road someday. Theyd be suprise to know it's K20C'd!! Hehehe. But its always safer to choose the more sensible approach. Just buy a WRX, EVO, GTR, blehh.. To each their own I suppose.
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there's no comparison between the GK5 and the GRB, thats obvious. But i get your point. But on the contrary!! Sometimes you just have to be a little innovative to MAKE IT WORK, if you love the car enough to go the distance, and have time, and the funds, fuck it! Ill pay to be different!! I'd like to eat an FK8 for lunch if I come across one thru my local mountain road someday. Theyd be suprise to know it's K20C'd!! Hehehe. But its always safer to choose the more sensible approach. Just buy a WRX, EVO, GTR, blehh.. To each their own I suppose.
The easy button is just to buy this:

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Personally, I don't think there's much of a market for it. Most Fit owners seem cheap or of low income. Just look at the typical forum posts. Cheapest tires with lifetime free rotation and balance. Cheapest oil, how overinflated tires provide more MPG............bla, blah blah
​​​​​ It's not surprising as the Fit is the cheapest model in Honda's lineup. It's geared to the college kid or commuter. I'm the commuter category and I chose the fit for it's outstanding gas mileage, low maintenance costs and low insurance costs. It's very utilitarian and surprisingly fun to drive. ​​​​Yes I would like better mileage. Yes I would like to spend less on maintenance costs (tire replacement included).

So the choice of my mods are geared to make my daily commute more enjoyable. I'm not fooling myself that an hks axle back gave more power, but it made the car more fun to drive. The progress RSB makes it corner better. I was surprised how much better it is to drive with this ram air intake scoop, the throttle response has improved. It was something I wasn't expecting to be honest.

As far as cost, people have more disposable income than we know. Look at the forum members who have slapped new rims, tires, brake components etc on a brand new car. The HPS, AEM and Weapon-R are more expensive intakes, and looking at the design don't really make sense for an air intake imo .If you have a passion, then money isn't that big of an obstacle to overcome.

I remember being a poor highschool kid, but I managed to save hundreds of dollars to buy the Japanese version of videogame system. I could have waited a few months for it to come to the states, but I wanted to play the latest games. It was something I enjoyed so I made it happen.
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FIT = nowhere near as fun. It's just a commuter car, that's it. It's not a performance car, never will be
A WRX of any generation is still just an economy car with a more powerful motor. It's not a 'performance car'.

I've owned 7 Subarus including four Imprezas (GC, GGs, and GH), one Legacy and two Foresters and have been in nearly every model of most 1990s+ generations except the Tribeca including some highly tuned models running on booze. For comparison, I've also owned two Miatas, including a factory turbo, and would take a Miata over any Subaru if I was driving it for performance reasons. I say this as a long time Subaru enthusiast and Ambassador.

Trying to present an Impreza (of any trim, even the STI) as a 'performance car' or something elevated above other econoboxes is silly. It's an econobox that happens to have power, a huge tuner market, and a cool rally history. Unfortunately that tends to go to people's heads and fluff the image of Subaru beyond something it objectively is.
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