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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 12:48 PM
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for the 5lb, 50mm will be sufficient.

what exactly determines if its sufficient or not? why would the 50mm not be sufficent for the 10lb kit?
 
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 02:50 PM
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150-160 hp to the wheels is not flowing enough air (lb/min) to need a bigger exhaust. the 50mm would be sufficient for that power output. if you up the boost to 10lb, you'll be flowing about 25%-35% more air, and at that point the 50mm exhaust would likely cause a restriction, and you would want to upgrade to the 60mm.
 
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Originally Posted by Lyshk0
150-160 hp to the wheels is not flowing enough air (lb/min) to need a bigger exhaust. the 50mm would be sufficient for that power output. if you up the boost to 10lb, you'll be flowing about 25%-35% more air, and at that point the 50mm exhaust would likely cause a restriction, and you would want to upgrade to the 60mm.

gotcha, thanks man, rep for you.
 
Old Nov 28, 2007 | 01:18 PM
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Hey chris, any word on your boost upgrade?
 
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New to the FI market of things but would love to get a SC for my Fit. Anyone know what the base kit would do to the engine life on a stock fit just daily driving with a little fun here and there?
 
Old Nov 29, 2007 | 12:52 PM
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New to the FI market of things but would love to get a SC for my Fit. Anyone know what the base kit would do to the engine life on a stock fit just daily driving with a little fun here and there?
it will most likely not shorten the engine life. Jackson's do a extremely good job with reliability and engine life with their kits.
 
Old Nov 29, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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thanks... i will prolly look into this but closer to my warranty ending
 
Old Nov 29, 2007 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Lyshk0
150-160 hp to the wheels is not flowing enough air (lb/min) to need a bigger exhaust. the 50mm would be sufficient for that power output. if you up the boost to 10lb, you'll be flowing about 25%-35% more air, and at that point the 50mm exhaust would likely cause a restriction, and you would want to upgrade to the 60mm.
i was reading about what you said on the exhaust... now let say for me for example would it be bad for me or i would just have to upgrade my exhaust befor getting the S/C...
 
Old Nov 30, 2007 | 01:27 AM
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i was reading about what you said on the exhaust... now let say for me for example would it be bad for me or i would just have to upgrade my exhaust befor getting the S/C...
i think your setup now would be ok. if you go too small, there will be back pressure which is bad; if you go too big, theres not enough flow (velocity) to "pull" the exhaust gases out of the cylinder, header, etc. you wanna go with the right size, so that there will be an effect that creates slightly lower pressure near the combustion side of the system, so the exhaust is pulled through the system by the gases exiting at the same time its being forced out of the combustion chamber. thats the scavenging effect. that effort is all to maintain a balance of torque throughout the powerband. if your looking only for top end power, and high dyno numbers, then you might wanna go bigger if you get the 10lb; if you wanna maintain a broad powerband, and more useable power, stay with your exhaust how it is.

edit::just looked up the specs on your exhaust. the megan midpipe is a touch over 57mm, and the axleback is 50mm. if anything i would maybe go with a 60mm catback, or at the very least an axleback thats 60mm. ideally you dont want any shelving in the exhaust. shelving is where you have 2 different diameter pipes meet without a smooth transition. that applies both ways (big into small :::==, or small into big ==::: ), although going into a smaller diameter pipe causes more of a problem, you wanna avoid either one as they will cause turbulence and impede flow.
 

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Old Nov 30, 2007 | 02:04 AM
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So I understand that the SC kit will be tuned for stock application, but a few concerns first: My friend got a Jackson SC for his prelude and had it installed and had some engine light issues and tuning issues when it was supposed to just bolt on. Is this a problem with the FIT or is it a clean install?
 
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Originally Posted by Kuturagi
So I understand that the SC kit will be tuned for stock application, but a few concerns first: My friend got a Jackson SC for his prelude and had it installed and had some engine light issues and tuning issues when it was supposed to just bolt on. Is this a problem with the FIT or is it a clean install?


good question, i'd hate to see a light like that on all the time.
 
Old Nov 30, 2007 | 01:10 PM
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good question, i'd hate to see a light like that on all the time.

When setting up the jrsc on my crx the only issues were making sure you had everything plugged up. A lot of instructions werent babied so you had to do more thinking to get things going. Not saying that was how your prelude was but with mine it all worked perfectly fine np.
 
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Originally Posted by Kuturagi
So I understand that the SC kit will be tuned for stock application, but a few concerns first: My friend got a Jackson SC for his prelude and had it installed and had some engine light issues and tuning issues when it was supposed to just bolt on. Is this a problem with the FIT or is it a clean install?
I have a CEL.... cause of my test pipe.... other that that on a stock app... it will be perfectly fine with no CELs.
 
Old Nov 30, 2007 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JDMchris.com
I have a CEL.... cause of my test pipe.... other that that on a stock app... it will be perfectly fine with no CELs.
I think you can buy fake sensors that lie about the signal output, but not entirely sure?
 
Old Nov 30, 2007 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kuturagi
So I understand that the SC kit will be tuned for stock application, but a few concerns first: My friend got a Jackson SC for his prelude and had it installed and had some engine light issues and tuning issues when it was supposed to just bolt on. Is this a problem with the FIT or is it a clean install?
Our kits have no check engine lights (CEL) and are a full bolt-on system. If the directions are followed correctly, you will have no issues.

Your factory OBDII system will work as normal with our kit.

So that means if you take your catalytic converter off (For Off-Road Use Only of course...), you will get a CEL.
 
Old Nov 30, 2007 | 05:49 PM
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do you have an exact release date? Just curious.
 
Old Nov 30, 2007 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KraftWerks
Our kits have no check engine lights (CEL) and are a full bolt-on system. If the directions are followed correctly, you will have no issues.

Your factory OBDII system will work as normal with our kit.

So that means if you take your catalytic converter off (For Off-Road Use Only of course...), you will get a CEL.

So does that mean us in California w/ the jrsc get jacked with our smoging?
 
Old Nov 30, 2007 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Lyshk0
i think your setup now would be ok. if you go too small, there will be back pressure which is bad; if you go too big, theres not enough flow (velocity) to "pull" the exhaust gases out of the cylinder, header, etc. you wanna go with the right size, so that there will be an effect that creates slightly lower pressure near the combustion side of the system, so the exhaust is pulled through the system by the gases exiting at the same time its being forced out of the combustion chamber. thats the scavenging effect. that effort is all to maintain a balance of torque throughout the powerband. if your looking only for top end power, and high dyno numbers, then you might wanna go bigger if you get the 10lb; if you wanna maintain a broad powerband, and more useable power, stay with your exhaust how it is.

edit::just looked up the specs on your exhaust. the megan midpipe is a touch over 57mm, and the axleback is 50mm. if anything i would maybe go with a 60mm catback, or at the very least an axleback thats 60mm. ideally you dont want any shelving in the exhaust. shelving is where you have 2 different diameter pipes meet without a smooth transition. that applies both ways (big into small :::==, or small into big ==::: ), although going into a smaller diameter pipe causes more of a problem, you wanna avoid either one as they will cause turbulence and impede flow.
thanx for the heads up dude...
 
Old Nov 30, 2007 | 07:10 PM
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I just bought a Fit Sport this week and I'm curious as to why there seems to be so much interest in the 10# version of this supercharger. I can understand dropping $3,500 in a low boost application for the people that want a little more performance, but for those people that are interested in investing $5K or more with the idea of competing with STOCK S2K's, 350Z's, Evo's, etc, wouldn't it make more sense to spend a couple extra thousand for a K20 or K24 swap and use that as your starting platform? Reason I ask is because with any of the high revving K series engines 200 whp would be your starting point rather than max potential. And....you'd have a plethora of transmissions to choose from with better gear ratio's, including some 6 speeds with factory LSD's.
 

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Old Nov 30, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gg06mr
I just bought a Fit Sport this week and I'm curious as to why there seems to be so much interest in the 10# version of this supercharger. I can understand dropping $3,500 in a low boost application for the people that want a little more performance, but for those people that are interested in investing $5K or more with the idea of competing with STOCK S2K's, 350Z's, Evo's, etc, wouldn't it make more sense to spend a couple extra thousand for a K20 or K24 swap and use that as your starting platform? Reason I ask is because with any of the high revving K series engines 200 whp would be your starting point rather than max potential. And....you'd have a plethora of transmissions to choose from with better gear ratio's, including some 6 speeds with factory LSD's.
Because the Kswapped Fits are getting their asses handed to them at the track by boosted applications
 



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