Since its hard for me to get Siphon out here, Xorbe pm'ed me with this scanned copy on the J S/C article in Siphon (not sure if this is the one ur referring to Chris).
Hope u dont mind Xorbe ....

http://xorbe.dyndns.org/~jason/tmp/s...007_p44_47.zip

PS - Xorbe = the man!

 

Object not found.....in regards to the link.

 

oops. Im sry i guess it doesnt work anymore. I had successfully downloaded it b4 i placed the link on here.....
Give me a few hours and i will post it up again ... sry folks

 

no, i understand his logic....its the reason why a car like the si can hang with cars with extreme tq advantages like the gti.(and yes here i'm ignoring the si's obvious weight advantage)


i remember someone compared a type r dc2 to a gs-r....one doens't really go any 'harder' than the other, it just 'goes' longer.

besides in a world of random looks that say 'hey you wanna go?' you never really have time to ask who has what under hood. and then there is things like shifting and all sorts of othe variables that come into play, and edmunds isn't going to give us a test of both cars in a nuetral environment. i didn't mean to start an argument i just wanted a general idea, and i got it. there could be numerous reasons why jdmchris isn't killing every si out there.


Chris, what siphon edition was it posted in? the most recent one?

 

ha ha ha, classic.

 

My ex-wife had a '01 ITR and I think I'd have to disagree with that. Not only based on my experience with running it against many an upstart Gizzer, but the numbers don't lie. The ITR had more power, better gearing, less weight, etc. Pretty much everything it would need to be faster and pull harder than a Gizzer, and the extra revs played a very trivial part in that since you spend very little time between 8200-8700 rpm.

Agreed, there are tons of variables that could play a part in it. However, we still haven't received any sort of explanation of what "even with the new Si" means. Standing start? 3rd gear roll? What? And when I asked I received laughter. If he were in Texas I'd just say let's line 'em up and he can run against my GF's Si sedan, but that's unfortunately not a viable solution.

 

it was about 60mph roll. All i could see that it had visually was a exhaust, I dont know if there was any other boltons.. there probably was. cant say for sure. All I can say is That we were side by side.

 

better gearing and lower weight, we'll never be able to get past all the variables, and i was just talking about the engine itself. But i got my answer, and i'm happy with it.

 

thanks man

 

Was that so difficult? Haha. Thanks! That's more like what I was expecting your car to be even with. I'd be surprised if he didn't have a few more mods as well. Usually if you spring for exhaust you've got enough for at least an intake to go with it. Now you can enjoy me not pestering you anymore about the topic.

 

lol, someone copy'n'pasted the link with ... in it. Here is the full link:

http://xorbe.dyndns.org/~jason/tmp/siphon_spring_2007_p44_47.zip [1.04MB]

 

Definitely not anything like a Roots type torque curve. The power curves remind me a lot of the Vortech blown B series. I'm assuming that these numbers were generated some time ago since the 10 lb kit is producing what JDMChris said the 5 lb kit is making in his car at the present time. Is that correct JDMChris? If so, how does your latest dyno plot compare to this old 10 lb kit dyno? Pretty similar curves or what?

 

^ that would have been my mistake....

Thanks for clearing it up Xorbe .

Chris, just to clarify, the run was from 60mph or till 60mph??
If it was from 60mph lets not forget that the Civic also has a larger engine displacement - thats gotta help at higher speeds!!

Good stuff!

 

Correct that is the OLD kit... The new Dyno shows 145whp for the 5psi kit i believe? I dont remember what it was. Altho that was WITHOUT a cat for the Dyno. So maybe about 140 with cat?

 

from a 60mph roll.

 

It would if you were comparing an NA 2.0L vs. an NA 1.5L.

 

thought about what you said...i think my comments on the gsr vs the type r were a bit out of place...i meant to compare a regular ls b18 to a gsr. in that case my 'going longer as oppossed to harder' statement makes more sense.

anywho, glad the dyno is up!

 

Does that mean that they haven't dyno'd your car since further improving the output into the 155-165 range with the 5 psi kit?

 

If that's what you meant then I totally agree with that statement!