What is wrong with my Fit??
What media outlets haven't discussed it? What does the decline in most of Hondas offering have to do with your fit? If people here were telling you to trade to fit for a civic, then the disappointing civic resign would be relevant. But noone here is white knighting Honda in general, just that
1. Based on your descriptions, there is no mechanical defect in your car.
2. The millage numbers you give are in line with the published EPA numbers and the variance is most likely explained by driving style and local conditions.
1. Based on your descriptions, there is no mechanical defect in your car.
2. The millage numbers you give are in line with the published EPA numbers and the variance is most likely explained by driving style and local conditions.
Did I finally get through to you?? That you need to stop for a moment and back up and see the forest instead of the trees??
Nothing Wrong
There's nothing wrong with your Fit. It's designed to shift very frequently because the engine is so small. Also, the drive by wire feature makes the gas pedal super sensitive. I picked up my 2012 Fit Sport Auto Trans on June 8th. It acts just like yours does. On the highway it downshifts on every hill. I'm a retired guy in my early 60's and I've always been a slow gentle driver. I also think that a car this small and light with a very small engine should get better gas mileage than it does. Now, overall I like my Fit Sport, but the gas mileage and ROAD NOISE is not good.
Your friend sounds like a smart guy, longtime Honda fan due to past ownership with great luck, and now sees the downward trend Honda has taken. They don't make anything impressive anymore, and the fact that the media lauded so much praise over such an underpowered, average mpg car, it makes me wonder how Honda got them in their pocket.

I also like the Accord, although, for very different reasons. But overall dhe mainstreaming trend that Honda has been on for several years, and the rise of the Yen, has caused a decline in their focus on intelligent, innovative engineering solutions and an increased focus on cost savings while still meeting benchmarks.
There are a few simple fixes (not even innovative) that Honda can and probably will do, starting with the next Accord. But take just the Fit as an example - what would make it back at the top of heap vs peers?:
1. Direct & port injection (better fuel economy)
2. CVT (even though I would hate this)
3. Aero tweaks to encourage airflow separation.
4. Cloud-based infotainment system a la sync
5. Independent rear suspension (some packaging downside here)
6. A crossover option. Cheap to build on the same body (a sedan is less so), better profit margins.
7. Domestic production. Allows more cost flexibility.
So you can see I am not blinded by the badge. The Fit could be better than it is, even though, I would not like some of the things I mentioned above. And they all add $$ except the last one. No free lunch

And heck if it were up to me I would scrap that CRZ and make them turn out a simple 2+2 convertible on the Fit wheelbase. The same packaging that makes the magic seat possible also makes a convertible easy to engineer. This definitely will not happen.
I wonder what he would say if you pointed out the heads of the rear seat passengers block the view regardless of headrest position...
Congrats! You finally, without realizing it, figured out what I did- that, since there is no mechanical defect in the car, Honda exaggerated their real world numbers to sell cars. It's the only explanation. Explain how, otherwise, I could possibly be getting as good (or better is some cases) fuel mileage around town, in a quite larger, more comfortable vehicle that I am driving under the same conditions and in the same style.
Did I finally get through to you?? That you need to stop for a moment and back up and see the forest instead of the trees??
Did I finally get through to you?? That you need to stop for a moment and back up and see the forest instead of the trees??
Congrats! You finally, without realizing it, figured out what I did- that, since there is no mechanical defect in the car, Honda exaggerated their real world numbers to sell cars. It's the only explanation. Explain how, otherwise, I could possibly be getting as good (or better is some cases) fuel mileage around town, in a quite larger, more comfortable vehicle that I am driving under the same conditions and in the same style.
Did I finally get through to you?? That you need to stop for a moment and back up and see the forest instead of the trees??
Did I finally get through to you?? That you need to stop for a moment and back up and see the forest instead of the trees??
Why Your Car Could Have an MPG Gap
Here's Why Real-World MPG Doesn't Match EPA Ratings - Edmunds.com
I just noticed one of his complaints...
Rear passengers HAVE to raise the head rest to sit comfortably, but that SEVERELY limits the view of the driver.... right?
Um, if you have a rear passenger, wouldn't their head rest be behind THEIR head? So therefore, wouldn't THEIR head actually be what's blocking your view?
As for the spark plug complaint not being mentioned in reviews.... simple, car reviews are done from driver's perspective, not a mechanic.
Personally, if you're comfortable enough to be yanking spark plugs, who gives a damn about a cowl that's "in the way"?
Nitpick much?
Rear passengers HAVE to raise the head rest to sit comfortably, but that SEVERELY limits the view of the driver.... right?
Um, if you have a rear passenger, wouldn't their head rest be behind THEIR head? So therefore, wouldn't THEIR head actually be what's blocking your view?
As for the spark plug complaint not being mentioned in reviews.... simple, car reviews are done from driver's perspective, not a mechanic.
Personally, if you're comfortable enough to be yanking spark plugs, who gives a damn about a cowl that's "in the way"?
Nitpick much?
I hate when mai passengarz have heads! Arrrg, heads are so annoying! They block the viiiieeeewwww out the BACK! I make all my passengarz remove theiyar hedz before boarding! Rear visibility now GREAT! Passengar comfort not known, they have yet to respond to survey!
At least the headrests retract. They could also block the view and NOT retract, a problem Honda fixed in its hatchbacks after poor feedback on the pre-05 CRVs, and has been attendant to since.
Peace
At least the headrests retract. They could also block the view and NOT retract, a problem Honda fixed in its hatchbacks after poor feedback on the pre-05 CRVs, and has been attendant to since.
Peace
This thread is going nowhere.
The OP refuses to acknowledge that its is simply his driving habit that isn't giving him that extra 1 MPG he claims Honda failed to deliver. A fact proven by being able to actually achieve OVER the EPA estimates on highway driving when he forced himself to drive the way people have been recommending. And that was being consistent and at a more economy friendly speed of 55-65 MPH. But he won't adjust his city habits to compensate for the bigger fuel drain.
Then brings up other issues. While admittedly, a number of them CAN be valid to some degree and a few are strictly personal (some like, some don't like the exact same aspect). But then makes up garbage arguments... a retractable rear seat head rest being in the way... when having passengers in the rear seat?!?!?
I'm half expecting him to throw up a picture of the GD Fit's head rest to "validate" his argument, despite supposedly having GE Fit.
The OP refuses to acknowledge that its is simply his driving habit that isn't giving him that extra 1 MPG he claims Honda failed to deliver. A fact proven by being able to actually achieve OVER the EPA estimates on highway driving when he forced himself to drive the way people have been recommending. And that was being consistent and at a more economy friendly speed of 55-65 MPH. But he won't adjust his city habits to compensate for the bigger fuel drain.
Then brings up other issues. While admittedly, a number of them CAN be valid to some degree and a few are strictly personal (some like, some don't like the exact same aspect). But then makes up garbage arguments... a retractable rear seat head rest being in the way... when having passengers in the rear seat?!?!?
I'm half expecting him to throw up a picture of the GD Fit's head rest to "validate" his argument, despite supposedly having GE Fit.
A fact proven by being able to actually achieve OVER the EPA estimates on highway driving when he forced himself to drive the way people have been recommending. And that was being consistent and at a more economy friendly speed of 55-65 MPH. But he won't adjust his city habits to compensate for the bigger fuel drain.
This car is plenty capable of great mileage at fast highway speeds.
City driving is a big fuel drain. However, over the weekend going from Baltimore to Hersheypark up I-83 and back I was averaging about 80-85mph with the A/C on, and I pulled a little over 38MPG for the round trip. 184 miles, used 4.81 gallons. The only time I was doing significantly under 80 was around York, PA where there was construction, and a little stop and go traffic.
This car is plenty capable of great mileage at fast highway speeds.
This car is plenty capable of great mileage at fast highway speeds.
City driving is a big fuel drain. However, over the weekend going from Baltimore to Hersheypark up I-83 and back I was averaging about 80-85mph with the A/C on, and I pulled a little over 38MPG for the round trip. 184 miles, used 4.81 gallons. The only time I was doing significantly under 80 was around York, PA where there was construction, and a little stop and go traffic.
This car is plenty capable of great mileage at fast highway speeds.
This car is plenty capable of great mileage at fast highway speeds.
I wonder what I'm doing wrong. With the cruise control on and highway driving at 60mph I can't even get 38mpg. I like many things about my Fit Sport but the fuel mileage is not one of them
Ha. Try gettin no more than 28mpg ever! And thats on my 2011 auto and this after trading in my 09 for it wich did wayyyyy better! Lol im over it, honda made excuse after excuse after excuse. I finally gave up. I have a love/hate relationship with my fit due to this! Freakin sucks!
All I can say is, if I cruise (via control or my foot) at 80 MPH on the highways around Chicago, I will pull similar MPG numbers as if I were driving city streets (or suburban streets)... that being about 30 MPG.
I was somewhat nonplussed this week to experience Pig-Fit. Driving 700 miles to Key Largo it sucked the fuel going 85mph down the FL Turnpike (get a sunpass before trying this yourself!). I could barely manage 33mpg. I think I shall write a pointed letter.
Coming back was 35mpg. Must've had a tail wind.
edit: the A/C performed well though. Leaving out in FL sun all morning, it had the inside comfortable in about 5 minutes. What's up with that? (no freeze-ups either). And it wasn't nervous around big rigs (might be the better tires). And my butt didn't hurt (much).
Coming back was 35mpg. Must've had a tail wind.
edit: the A/C performed well though. Leaving out in FL sun all morning, it had the inside comfortable in about 5 minutes. What's up with that? (no freeze-ups either). And it wasn't nervous around big rigs (might be the better tires). And my butt didn't hurt (much).
Last edited by Steve244; Jul 28, 2012 at 07:38 PM.
Whats your point and who is the pointed letter too? Florida state police for driving reckless or to Honda to say I was beating on the car and the mpg was not as promised.
Open a dictionary (book or online) and look up "sarcasm".
He's making fun of the OP, not being serious.
He's making fun of the OP, not being serious.


