I've seen many pics of the '09 dashboard with navigation but can't seem to find one without. Since I can't afford the NAV option, I was hoping someone could post or point me in the direction of a picture of a NAV-less '09 Fit dash? Thx.

 

https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-...09-fit-62.html

 

I just found out a qualify for the Honda graduate program! Woot just waiting for that 09 Fit to get here!

 

WAHOOJOHN: I saw on a spec sheet somewhere for the '09 that the tank was an 11 gal. Which would only be a tiny bit bigger than the current 10.9 gal tank. I don't know if this was just a speculative "rounding up" number or if it's actual. It would make sense with the slight size increase overall to make the tank size a bit bigger. Hopefully so, any little bit helps i guess. i'll try to find where i saw those specs and post it later this weekend.

 

This is the only thing i could find that says it has an 11 gal tank. Everything else says 10.8. I would assume the 10.8 is correct.



Also calledHonda JazzProduction2008-present
2009-(North America)Body style(s)5-door hatchbackLayoutFF layoutEngine(s)Europe and Japan markets

• 1.3 L (~79 CID) I4 i-VTEC
• 1.5 L (~92 CID) I4 i-VTEC

North American market

• 1.5 L (~92 CID) I4 i-VTEC

Transmission(s)Europe and Japan markets

• CVT
• 5-speed manual
• 5-speed automatic

North American market

• 5-speed manual
• 5-speed automatic

Wheelbase2500 mm (98.4 in)Length3985 mm (156.9 in)Width1695 mm (66.7 in)Height1525 mm (60 in)Curb weight1,200 kg (2,646 lb)

Fuel capacity42 L (11 USgal/9 impgal)

Source: Honda Fit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Very informative 2009 Jazz Website from Singapore with full specs and pics: Honda Jazz 2009- Full of Surprises

Couple of things I noticed about the Euro Spec are that it has rear disc brakes on both the 1.3 and 1.5, no side/curtain airbags available, panoramic sunroof, automatic air, height adjustable seat, locking fuel door, 11.095 gallon tank, 4.9m turning radius, no VSC, HID headlights

e-Catalog: http://www.kahmotor.com.sg/cars/jazz2009_catalogue.pdf

CarBuyer Review: http://www.kahmotor.com.sg/cars/09HondaJazzCarBuyer.pdf

Video: Honda Jazz (New!)

1.5 Specs: Honda Jazz 2009 - Full of Surprises

 

This is also from the Singapore site ProMed pointed out. Granted the US version will be a bit different because it won't have the auto AC like the one pictured.








Source: Honda Jazz 2009 - Full of Surprises#

 

I actually think this looks cooler than the version with nav, but americans wont be getting Automatic climate contorl will they?

 

negative we have to do it manually.

 

Ok, so I'm looking to buy an '09 Fit, but in looking through these forums, am I to understand that some of you have agreed to pay MSRP? I've never really bought a car without some haggling. Reserving an '09 automatically condemns you to paying sticker price?!

 

Supply and demand. Fuel efficient cars are in demand so don't expect much, if any discount.

 

Why is it that Honda is not selling us the off shore Fit with the long list of better options.

• Smaller more FE eng option 1.3l ivtec
• 6 speed man
• CVT auto
• Better looking front end on '09
• Nav unit
• Auto A/C heat
• Moon roof
• Better colors
• and more it's a long list if you look close

It's like all the JDM bolt on stuff we have to pay way too much for. Is there cone head marketing American like Ford and Chevy and can't find the answer. I think they don't like or respect us in the US

Pisses me off

 

The message is simple: Americans do not deserve a better equipped car. If you want to get a better car, get yourself a Japanese citizenship and live in Japan.

The 2009 Honda Fit is just the leftovers in the Japanese market; Japanese has sold the same model for more than 2 years and will probably discontinue it very soon.

 

I understand the demand for cars like the Fit, but the dealers know you can just take the price they give you, take it to another dealer, and they'll probably lower it a bit to make a sale. Even on the individual salesperson's level, they want to make a sale and they don't want to lose it to someone else, demand or not.

I honestly can't wait to get a Fit, but I'm not willing to pay sticker price for any car. Ever.

 

Just spoke to Honda dealer yesterday & they're taking orders for early Oct. dealer and they sell at 100.00 off MSRP
Good Luck, Motoretro

 

They get a 6 speed?

Our automotive safety regulations makes a lot of EDM and JDM cars looks like poop.

 

Do you autocross now? Any past experience? Front disc and rear drum brakes should be fine.

Most autocross courses are set up for speeds up to highway 55 and with a lack of ample power your normal stock car will have a much easier time braking and loosing speed than accelerating and gaining speed. So the rule is stay off the brakes and carry speed as high as you can through the slower parts of the course. Run time tends to be from about 30 to 60 seconds across the country so that isn't long enough to overheat the brakes given a little cool down time between runs.

Even the Civic with all discs vs front disc and rear drums will do fine either way. Braking efficiency is about the same but cost is much more with discs.

For MSRP for new 2009 Fits- Yes we pay MSRP and even more. A few years ago in my area Fits sold for $3000 over and even as little as one year ago were easily $800 to $1000 over MSRP if certain desireable colors like SSM.
If supply exceeds demand then you can reduce the price but right now with gas prices higher and fuel efficient car will command MSRP or more. Also dealerships are selling less cars in general now so for the ones they do sell they are looking for higher profit.

 

Your haggling is now reserved to how much over MSRP you pay for lovelies like 'documentation' fee(s), dealer prep, paint protection, extended warranty, all sorts of extras.

Look at this way:
Unless its Honda backed forget extended
Paint protection is a dual wax job - the Fit - and you.
doc fee over $300 is a real hose job; $300 or less is simply a wipe your face job.
Its simple case of supply and demand; if you are a Democrat you probably don't understand that.

 

Paul --

There are a number of reasons for these differences.

One reason in different laws in different markets. Every car has to be tailored somewhat to different local laws. The front end issue you mention is caused by US safety laws.

Another reason for differences in content is how the car is positioned in different markets. The US market has historically not wanted slow, fuel efficient cars, which is why we only get the 1.5L, and not the 1.3. That may change in the future.

Some other things might be due to marketing. You generally don't want to offer things in an inexpensive car that you can't get in a more expensive one. That probably affects a) the 6-speed (I think the only other 6-speeds available from Honda are in the TSX and the Civic Si - every other manual is a 5-speed - I think), b) the Auto A/C, c) moonroof, and d) AWD. CVT may also fit in this category.

I think the cause for most of the other 'missing items' is the declining value of the US dollar. The Fits are built in Japan, but are paid for with US dollars.

In June of 07, $1 was worth about 123 Japanese Yen.

Today, that same $1 buys only 109 Japanese yen - a decline in value of around 11%

That means that if in June of 07, a Fit that sold in the US for $16,000 brought Honda 19,680 million Yen.

If that same car sold today for the same price, it would bring Honda only 17,440 million Yen -- 11% less than they received back in May of '07.

Honda could raise the price of that $16,000 Fit by 11%, to around $17,800, but that would cause Fit sales to drop significantly because it would be priced close to the Civic, which is made in North America and so brings in more money.

Instead of raising the price a lot, Honda can do several things to help close the 11% gap:

1. 'Eat' the cost difference. That is done sometimes, but companies like to do that as little as possible, and not do it very often.
2. Raise the price a bit, and also do some of the other cost-savings things.
3. Build the car in the US, which eliminates much of the currency exchange loss. I believe that is in the works.
4. 'De-content' the car, by substituting less expensive pieces for more expensive ones (drum brakes replacing disk brakes) or by making removable things optional (nicer shifter knobs, etc). There are probably several other items that fit into this category.

Marketing is a pretty interesting subject.

-- Bill

 

Right on about the CVT; can't figure out why. Must be cheaper supplier cost. Phooey.

Even the 1.5L is too small for America so the 1.3 would be a death trap like the Smart. A 1.7L with 2004 Civic HX computer yields 40+ mpg routinely and would be HUGE benefit for Fit. Much more relaxed driving. And better mpg.

You left out rear disc brakes. When you have rear disc brakes stopping is faster than anything else out there. We got 100.5' stopping from 60 mph (with 205/40x17 tires) on my Fit. Out stops my racer CRX with Hawks (114'). Positively brutal. And that isn't mentioning the easier brake pad change.
And yes, there are too many Americans in charge who were taught to think like Detroit - only less cost and more profit counts. Souchiro would have beaten these guys soundly about the ears. Competence over rules cheap. Customers should always get more profit out of his car than the manufacturer. Detroit is now proving that; making a small car cheap means the lowest all-around quality in that book. Small cars are for the lower classes and they don't deserve better.
For fun see how cheaply you can get an Aveo. Take a good ride in it first.
Ah felt good to get that rant over today. cheers.